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      09-05-2012 11:52 PM #1
      page 2 i open up a ultimo. test fitting the koni race insert tomorrow.
      check out page 7. I shortened my coilover bodies.
      so a while back when i had racelands i took them apart and pulled out the insert. compared them to my new fk highsports. see this thread.
      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...oilover-insert
      my passender side fk insert was completely blown out. searched everywhere for the highsport insert and its $200 but never in stock. so i began looking for another option. i came across koni 8610 race inserts. alot of nissan guys gut the stock struts, shorten them and throw the konis in with coilover sleeves and springs from ground control. great reviews on them and they sware buy them. so i pony'ed up the money and dropped $400 on a pair of the koni inserts. got them in today and got to work. you also have to open up the spring hats. i used a dremel with a sanding disk to do this. the koni rod is alot thicker than other inserts. i just kept sanding until it fit.

      pulled the fk's apart. compared the 2 inserts. koni is much shorter.

      koni in the fk body.

      took the one blown fk insert and chopped it up. made a 1inch spacer to go under the koni insert in the fk body.


      much better. koni supplies a ring for a snug fit.

      retaining cap on

      all assembled. the koni bumpstop is huge!

      adjustable goodness!

      put a few miles on them and wow! love how they ride. right now they are set at full soft. i also might shorten the bodies so i dont need the spacer. it would also give me more travel. 1inch more would be nice.
      now the main reason for this thread. i think these could be a good way to build up a set of budget coilovers into something good. lets just say...used blown front coilovers $100? + $400 koni inserts = dampening adjustable coils for half the price. just throwing this out there.
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      09-05-2012 11:58 PM #2
      That is pretty awesome

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      09-06-2012 12:00 AM #3
      here are the specs for the koni 8610-1436.
      http://www.koniracing.com/8611.cfm

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      09-06-2012 12:22 AM #4
      Great idea....what is the spacer for? Is it necessary or could you just put the koni inserts into any body?
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      09-06-2012 12:30 AM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by DieselDubber View Post
      Great idea....what is the spacer for? Is it necessary or could you just put the koni inserts into any body?
      im think yes you could. i was able to put the fk insert into a raceland body so the koni should fit. the reason for the spacer is because the koni insert is shorter. if you would just assemble it without the spacer it would bang up and down in the coil body. another alternative is to section the coilover body. basically cut about a 1 inch section out and reweld it together. alot of mk1 guys do this. only problem is you would not be able to spin the coilovers up to the max height they originally had. but you would gain 1 inch more suspension travel.

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      09-06-2012 01:19 AM #7
      Don't mean to thread jack, but is there a secret to getting that retaining cap off? One of mine seem to be stuck.

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      09-06-2012 04:32 AM #8
      pipe wrench. they have loc-tite on the threads so it requires some force.
      i made this tool to remove the raceland cap.

      anyone have any blown fronts they would be willing to sell let me know.

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      09-06-2012 09:06 AM #9
      Its early so I cant process to many thoughts right now. But I have a blown set of racelands that I have been reluctant to throw out. This could be a great project to get some comfy and keep some low in the car without breaking the bank. Good idea again, here is another
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      09-06-2012 12:40 PM #14
      thanks guys. hopefully this will help those with blown coils just sitting around. main reason i did this is cause i dont get why the fk highsport insert is freakin $200. its not even adjustable. plus no one ever has it in stock. i paid $400 for the fk's used so i got $800 into them plus im running koni sport rear shocks so i can adjust those too. my car rides so good now. would be nice to try different spring rates. raceland reds, ultimos, fk steetlines, ect. anyone have springs laying around let me know.
      here is what the nissan guys do with the inserts. they use the 1436 in the rear. they use the 2 way asjustable ones up front. mk1 and mk2 guys do something similiar as well.
      http://zilvia.net/f/archive-faqs/270...-assembly.html

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      09-06-2012 03:47 PM #15
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      09-06-2012 07:25 PM #16
      looking to do this as well. does anyone know any other inserts that work with these? Adjustable or not

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      09-06-2012 10:04 PM #17
      i looked into monroe inserts. the problem is they are not designed to be ran lowered. kinda like putting drop springs on stock struts and shocks. they will just blow out in a short time. i though about trying these
      http://www.ecstuning.com/Search/ES248234/ES248234/
      i think they are for the standard fk coils. still nearly $150 a pc. $50 more and you can have adjustability.

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      09-06-2012 10:17 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      pipe wrench. they have loc-tite on the threads so it requires some force.
      i made this tool to remove the raceland cap.

      anyone have any blown fronts they would be willing to sell let me know.
      You can have my entire Streetline setup for a few bucks when I get my air on.

      Not sure if blown or not, but they're riding like trash.
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      09-06-2012 10:24 PM #20
      let me know. im just looking for to try the insert in as many brands to confirm they work and what is required to get them to work, like making a spacer and such. im really curious about racelands. since they use a gland nut instead of a thread cap like the fk's do.
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      09-06-2012 11:43 PM #21
      You have me intrested, this seems like a good winter project for me. My car needs low and this seems like it would be fun to try and a good learning experience. Where did you get the inserts from?


      found this site that sells inserts, I can imagine these fronts with the rear adjustable koni yellows must offer a nice overall package
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      09-07-2012 07:42 AM #22
      i got the inserts from summit racing. and yes have the ability to adjust the fronts and rear shocks is great. i now know why everyone who spent big bucks on "good" coilovers love them. they blow racelands, jom, ect out of the water.
      fronts. i plan in having them powdercoated before winter.

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      09-07-2012 08:47 AM #23
      Sweet, yeah im probably going to do this using a raceland body. when you get thwm powdercoated are you going to coat the threads aswell or no?
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      09-07-2012 08:54 AM #24
      probably not unless whom ever does it can confirm the collars will still spin freely.

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      09-07-2012 12:48 PM #25
      How do you plan on keeping the thread rust free if you cant get them powdercoated
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