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      09-20-2012 01:39 PM #76
      Hey question for you.. do you know what Koni rear shocks you have?

      Is it this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-80-2815SPT/

      Or this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-80-2761SPT/

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      09-20-2012 02:13 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      the raceland inserts are taller and skinnier than the ultimo insert. actually the ultimo insert is almost identical to the koni insert. the koni insert should fit in a raceland body but would need to be spaced. spring rates is really just up to you. you can buy aftermarket coilover springs. most start at 300lbs and go up to 700lbs. adjusting the dampening you can fine tune how they ride with your current springs. im still messing with mine. ive had them at full soft and it ride freaking amazing. i also turned it 1 full turn to firm it up. still rode good but you can tell it is more "sporty" i cant imagine what 3 full turns would be like on these. probably like riding on 4x4 posts.
      lots of springs here.
      http://pitstopusa.com/c-131948-sprin...r-springs.html
      I dont really want to change the springs but I wasnt sure if you had to change the springs according to the insert, seeing as how the konis have more adjustablity to them than racelands. But I may have to shop around for something that would fit better in the regular raceland body. Thanks
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      09-20-2012 03:01 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by dubluv2003 View Post
      I dont really want to change the springs but I wasnt sure if you had to change the springs according to the insert, seeing as how the konis have more adjustablity to them than racelands. But I may have to shop around for something that would fit better in the regular raceland body. Thanks
      You don't have to change the springs, but if you run Koni's they can handle higher spring rates. If the spring rate of the Racelands which is around 300front and 190/progressive rear aren't going to be fully maximizing the Koni's which will only make them last longer. I think the base model Koni (non cheaper FSD or whatever they are called are valved to handle 400lb)

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      09-20-2012 03:59 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by sobe_zuki View Post
      Hey question for you.. do you know what Koni rear shocks you have?

      Is it this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-80-2815SPT/

      Or this: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/KON-80-2761SPT/
      i got my koni sports from bagriders. they are the koni 80-2761. dont know what the difference between them are.

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      09-21-2012 08:04 AM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      i got my koni sports from bagriders. they are the koni 80-2761. dont know what the difference between them are.
      Thanks!

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      10-06-2012 11:45 AM #82
      Brian, I should have my blown JOMs out soon if you want to do a test fit to confirm?
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      10-06-2012 12:24 PM #83
      I'm do mad, I was going to do this with a set of silverlines that I have, but one of the struts is seized/rusted to the strut body.

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      10-06-2012 08:51 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by . W e r d n a View Post
      Brian, I should have my blown JOMs out soon if you want to do a test fit to confirm?
      sweet. just send me a pm whenever or on the pittsburgh thread. anyone care to donate a coilover body? so far fk highsports(which im guessing most fk bodies will be the same) ultimos and racelands have been confirmed.

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      10-19-2012 09:39 AM #86
      Got my extra set of racelands pulled apart



      Lucky for me.. I found a cheap gland nut wrench that was just the right size in my tools!





      Measured the insert, the diameter is 1.625" on the regular racelands. Im trying to find an insert that will work so it doesnt have to be spaced out. the Koni 8610 inserts wont work because they are to big. It looks like MR2 strut inserts are the same size, just gotta find one that works with my set up. Will update once I find something that works.
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      10-19-2012 09:59 AM #87
      it will still fit. measure the inside of the coilover body. i had fk inserts in those racelands before.
      the koni 8610-14636 insert is 1.71in. in diameter.

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      10-19-2012 10:04 AM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      it will still fit. measure the inside of the coilover body. i had fk inserts in those racelands before.
      the koni 8610-14636 insert is 1.71in. in diameter.
      I guess it would have been better to measure the body instead of the insert itself.
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      10-19-2012 11:01 AM #89
      match the spring rate to that of a high performance coil setup such as h&r's or kw's.
      then adjust your dampening to a ride quality you like

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      10-19-2012 11:58 AM #90
      ^
      thats the whole point of this thread.

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      10-20-2012 11:11 AM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      ^
      thats the whole point of this thread.
      my bad lol
      anyone have any opinions on the ground control coil conversion kit?
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      10-25-2012 11:31 AM #93
      Oh Crap!
      I might have to look into these inserts, @ $400 a pair this might be the way to go for me.... Wonder how they would fit in my exsisting Koni Coil Bodies.. Both inserts are toast!
      I called and Emailed Koni and nobody ever gets back to me...
      I had also contacted Vogtland and they want $400 a piece for new bodies and all!! Freaking crazy!!
      but this answer from Vogtland took me almost 2 months to get... got someone who actaully knew who to contact up there and give me an answer finally!!

      I am only looking to replace the insert in my exsisting Coilovers and could never find anything helpful...

      my exsiting set up now is Vogtland Coils, (Which is Koni bodies F/R) on Vogtland springs, love the way they ride but not since the fronts are toast! Thank you NY rds!!

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      10-25-2012 11:50 AM #94
      open them up and measure the inside of the coil body. im guessing they should all be the same since they have to fit in the same knuckle.

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      10-25-2012 12:00 PM #95
      Yeah that is what I might have to do.. Just @ the moment I dont have much time to do anything...

      I noticed all the diam. are the same on the inserts on Summits site, so thats helpful.. I might rough it for now and measure the bodies.. it might give me an idea of what insert would fit best...

      nice thread BTW!! you might have saved me a few hundred bucks! I really didnt want to buy a new set of coils! lol

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      10-29-2012 03:40 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by scirockalot8v View Post
      open them up and measure the inside of the coil body. im guessing they should all be the same since they have to fit in the same knuckle.
      Do you have a write-up in the works? I haven't taken an in-depth look into how the Ultimos are set up, is it a relatively straightforward process to disassemble them, pop the insert in, and then package it back up?

      This is an amazing discussion and have been looking for a better ride quality than just my current Ultimos. Having some adjustable dampening would be money on the bumpy country roads I currently live on.

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      10-29-2012 03:46 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by Alcrerion View Post
      Do you have a write-up in the works? I haven't taken an in-depth look into how the Ultimos are set up, is it a relatively straightforward process to disassemble them, pop the insert in, and then package it back up?

      This is an amazing discussion and have been looking for a better ride quality than just my current Ultimos. Having some adjustable dampening would be money on the bumpy country roads I currently live on.
      They are really easy to take apart, just remove the strut nut and everything else should slide right off. The difficult part is getting the gland nut off, you need to buy a wrench or make one like OP did. After the gland nut comes off the insert will slide right out. Put it together in reverse order.
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      10-29-2012 03:57 PM #98
      bingo.

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      10-30-2012 05:19 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by dubluv2003 View Post
      They are really easy to take apart, just remove the strut nut and everything else should slide right off. The difficult part is getting the gland nut off, you need to buy a wrench or make one like OP did. After the gland nut comes off the insert will slide right out. Put it together in reverse order.
      Nice. I'll probably be placing an order for the inserts this weekend. Not really diggin' the ride quality the stock Ultimos are offering right now on the roads I live on.

      One more question: would the inserts limit the amount of drop I'd be able to do without blowing it, or should the inserts be able to handle the amount of drop the Ultimo springs/struts can offer?

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      10-30-2012 05:55 PM #100
      the inserts can handle it. they are valved that way. they are used in race applications. hence them being race inserts. do a quick google search of them and you will see alot of people running them. plus they have a lifetime warranty through koni.

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