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    1. 11-01-2013 02:55 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Its worth noting that it didnt feel sluggish to me off boost but I dont have any seat time in a normal 3.2l car to compare.
      I highly recommend that you at least drive a normally aspirated SC or Carrera from this era. I have seat time in about 10-12 930's from bone stock cars to highly modded cars, both the 4 speed and '89 only 5 speeds. I also have seat time in 35+ SC's and Carrera's.

      As an enjoyable car to drive on the street, I would probably choose a nice Carrera any day. The only exception would be a 5 speed '89 Turbo. SC's and Carrera's feel like rockets around town relative to a 930.

      I am not saying you would necessarily want a regular 911 over a 930, but you might find that you would enjoy it more at relatively civil speeds. With the super long gearing, 930's want some open space to play.

      There is a compromise car. There is a quite rare car that was brought here in the mid-80's when the 930 wasn't officially imported. It is a 'Turbo Look' Carrera with the 930 bodywork (M491 option). Value wise they are almost on par with Turbo's these days and are much more rare. An example: http://www.memorymotorsports.com/198...k-70762-miles/

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      11-01-2013 03:05 PM #27
      A good mechanical told me once, in jest, that you can tell when an air-cooled Porsche has run out of oil by noticing that the puddle on the garage floor has stopped growing.

      I have great googly feeling for 930s. I love the haunched, the over-the-top rubberized tea tray of a wing, and the power delivery.

      I echo the comments above, about driving a period NA 911. Given that this car sounds like a stretch, financially, a NA 911 might provide a lot of the jollies for half the price.
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      11-01-2013 03:14 PM #28
      I want to say congratulations at walking away from the deal. It can be the hardest, but smartest thing one can do when shopping for a car. If it doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. On the bright side, you know a lot more about 930's and can find a better one next time.

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      11-01-2013 03:25 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I have a silver/black one that has 50K miles and is very reasonably priced!!!
      Hey Geoff, I have seen that car up for sale (I think it comes up on Hemming's for sale search btw). Surely its a nice car but the 930S brake vents are a turn off for me. I could maybe live with them on on a full 505 option car but its a little too much of a ironic 80s feel.

      Ross, the modded car has a $49K ask price. A bit steep but I think this is probably close to market value. In all honestly I would need to save a bit more to make it happen but its worth a look as its local. Obviously if it worked out I would still get a PPI and then take it directly to my standalone guy and run it on a dyno to check everything out. Probably an extra $300.00 on top of the PPI. The seller is pretty sure the buyer coming in from Finland of all places will take the car, so this particular car is a long shot for allot of reasons.


      tgodbout, you are totally right. I should spend some time in a 3.2L car. I think that its probably a much better value when it comes to cost per dollar. You really could tell how long the ratios were in 930. In 2nd gear up on the highway it still had lots of revs left. Anyone in the PNW have an SC and want to take me for a drive?

      The catch with a 3.2l over the 930? Those big Turbo hips and nasty reputation. I am completely aware that its a childish thing but we are talking about an 80s 911 after all. Im familiar with the M491, there is a cabrio for sale at Sloan right now. Price wise when I have seen a price listed you were spot on, bout the same as a 930 given their rarity. Theres not enough meat on the bone usually to make it worth not going balls deep into a 930.

      The upgrade to a 3.4l twin spark seems popular with owners with deep enough pockets face a rebuild. Is the 3.4l TS that much better of a unit? I know the 964 cases had some improvements, i thought though it was limited to cyl sealing, case gusseting?
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      11-01-2013 03:37 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by chucchinchilla View Post
      I want to say congratulations at walking away from the deal. It can be the hardest, but smartest thing one can do when shopping for a car. If it doesn't feel right, it probably isn't. On the bright side, you know a lot more about 930's and can find a better one next time.
      Thanks. Right now it just feels crappy. I am absolutely horrible at walking away. To date this is only the second car I have ever walked away from.....

      Fun 930 Fact: The euro cars used a cast iron fuel distributor while the US cars used aluminum. The euro units can suffer from rust contamination from sitting. The US unit combined with the larger euro lines and injectors can flow more fuel than the stock euro setup.
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      11-01-2013 03:42 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Surely its a nice car but the 930S brake vents are a turn off for me. I could maybe live with them on on a full 505 option car but its a little too much of a ironic 80s feel.
      Yeah, never been a fan of those vents either.

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      11-01-2013 03:46 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      Yeah, never been a fan of those vents either.
      On a slope? Sure, they work because that car is all about being outrageous.

      Off topic - Could you get the brake vents from the factory without the full 505 option?
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      11-01-2013 03:54 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      On a slope? Sure, they work because that car is all about being outrageous.
      Slant nose 930s are one of the ugliest sports cars ever manufactured. Put one or two in a Ripley's museum and crush the rest.

      I am comfortable being flamed for this.

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      11-01-2013 03:55 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      Slant nose 930s are one of the ugliest sports cars ever manufactured. Put one or two in a Ripley's museum and crush the rest.

      I am comfortable being flamed for this.


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    10. 11-01-2013 03:57 PM #35
      I nearly thought you bought the 930 after I saw the few pictures on your flickr

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      11-01-2013 04:16 PM #36
      Fair enough, I just thought I'd mention it as it is a great driver. But I do understand the rockers and vents aren't for everyone. PS, if you see the car on a certain Porsche brokers site (from the same town as a certain Ivy League college that sounds like "bale") that's because he's a scumbag and he duped my client. But the car is still available.


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      11-01-2013 04:25 PM #37
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      I don't think we can be friends anymore.
      Sorry broski. Just never been a fan. They look even worse in person, IMO.

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      11-01-2013 05:12 PM #39
      But its a great looking pit.....
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      11-04-2013 12:49 PM #40
      Anyone have pics of a Persian Blue 930? Found a local seller, but online I really only see Prussian Blue?
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      11-04-2013 01:16 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by butterface View Post
      Sorry broski. Just never been a fan. They look even worse in person, IMO.
      Are you coming at it from never having seen 935s race in person? I have, and had a fellow club member that raced a couple 935s back in the late '70s-early '80s. The slant nose 930s were simply street versions of those cars, adn I love them for that reason alone.

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      11-06-2013 11:07 AM #42
      So I went and looked at a 78 930 last night. Learned a good lesson on critical reading.

      Car was priced at $30K









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      The car was highly modded with allot of choice additions as you can see from the description. The price…too good to be true. Fortunately the car was on a lot about a mile from my house so on the way to dinner I swung by.

      The re-spray was about what you would expect, a 6 out of 10. Its greatest virtue being that it seemed to have held up well over the years. The rest was mostly bad news. Dirt in the paint, filler, improper prep, sanding swirls in the filler coming through the paint etc. Panel fit was average to good.

      Two major catches:
      1. Car had a buyer already in Sweden
      2. NO ENGINE

      Yep, I missed that in the description. Too bad I don’t have a 3.4L twin spark chilling in my garage looking for a home, this would have made a helluva track slut (as it appeared it had spent most of its recent life being).

      For other folks looking for that special something I want to mention a couple red flags I noticed (and promptly ignored) that come up in the pics.

      1. NO ENGINE ("roller")
      2. Note the plates. Car last registered in 2008. This begs the question as to why it's been off the road.
      3. Cobwebs on tires/wheels. Where was this stored? Soft semi race rubber will flat spot pretty quickly. Tires could be garbage.
      4. Pictures taken in summer. The salesman's story of having it about a month doesn’t jive with the weather we have had. Not really a big deal but something to note.
      5. Car's ass seems to sit pretty high (no engine, duh)
      6. Passenger side exhaust cut out but no exhaust (read the ad you dummy!)

      Salesmen was nice enough, they were closed when I arrived and he still showed me the car. Seemed to be a car guy and knew his way around. I did my best impression of a smart guy to seem like I knew before I drove over that the car had no engine. Dont think he bought it. <facepalm>

      Other than that…great car…for someone sitting on a motor. Doing the rough math to re-power and get it on the road I figure ball park you'd be in the high 50's best case scenario. Dyno time, shop time, while you're in there's and misc could easily kill you (or me at least).

      Onto the next one.</facepalm>
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      11-06-2013 12:08 PM #44
      great thread, enjoying reading about the various local-ish finds


      that blue one doesnt really scream "track car" to me, leather seats, power windows, oh but i guess it has an aftermarket steering wheel ... but im sure someone with a motor will find it and repower it. what an awesome color though!

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      11-06-2013 01:19 PM #45
      Yeah, by virtue of the amount of suspension mods and paint condition I deemed it track worthy. In salesman speak, it presents well. I translate this to - its a 10 footer.

      Next up is this Persian blue car.

      Fairly stock. Wheels, strut bar, exhaust and a 1bar WG spring (red flag). Car is driver quality, some paint work was done. According to the seller it wasnt great work done by the PO. The seller does long drives to cali, texas in the car so I like that. There is something very appealing to me about a car that sees regular duty. I just need to find one that has had the paint cared for in a fastidious manner.

      Seller is not in a hurry (he contacted me via my post over on Pelican), his plan was to wait and sell in the spring. So I like that level of sale pressure. Its annoying fighting for cars with deep pocketed Europeans hehe.

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      The torsion rear end definitely has its fair sure of pucker potential. I plan on getting some HPDE instruction with the car to be safe.
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      11-06-2013 01:42 PM #46
      wow another stunning color. awesome

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      11-06-2013 08:16 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Next up is this Persian blue car.
      Beautiful color. Ask him to throw the bike in with the purchase. I would just love to see you chilaxin with some coffee in downtown bothell in your cute little bike shorts.
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      11-07-2013 09:51 AM #48
      I like the color too. My fear is the clear coat condition. For some reason the wilder the color the more issues there are with clear coats on these cars. My OCD can fix allot of things but a failing clear coat isnt one of them.

      Dave, get up here and go look at the car with me next weekend. Work your sleezy sales guy jedi mind tricks and make him take a straight across trade for the Allroad.

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      PO removed the center console and replaced the carpet as well as re-did the seats. I really dig the no console look. The white gauge faces would have to go though.

      <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/looneys_on_the_lawn/10725916745/" title="DSC00420 by thecrashingdoor, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/10725916745_c221226edb_c.jpg" width="800" height="600" alt="DSC00420"></a>

      Major service/rebuild wise the story is not as awesome. Near as I can tell the car has never had anything but general maintenance and valve adjustments. Which if I have learned anything is not a strike against the car but something to consider. Yet again, price and paint condition will make or break it.
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      11-07-2013 10:01 AM #49
      I found some other pictures of Prussian Blue. Looks more blue than purple.




      This car is a respray but you get the point. Interesting car, narrow body with a 930 motor swapped in. Tons of detail and nice work into it. For sale at 40K, bummer the seller cant seem to get it moved.

      http://forums.pelicanparts.com/911-9...ick-great.html
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      11-07-2013 10:06 AM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      For sale at 40K, bummer the seller cant seem to get it moved.
      He can't get it moved because he's asking a 930 price without the 930 VIN or chassis.

      He needs to get himself down near narrow-body non-turbo pricing.

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