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      11-07-2013 10:22 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I have a silver/black one that has 50K miles and is very reasonably priced!!!

      Driver condition cosmetics, mechanically unmodified (except for decatted) and in very very good nick mechanically. It was just inspected by a very well respected Porsche specialist and found to be in great health. The owner just spent about 3K getting oil lines and a couple of leaks sorted and the tires have about 200 miles on them. It has been modified early in its life with boxed rockers, 930S quarter vents and a 934 front spoiler. It's a great looking car all around. PM me, I'm eager to get this car sold and could be had for around $40K or possibly under (with 50K miles!!).

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      11-07-2013 10:46 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by Cousin Eddie View Post
      He can't get it moved because he's asking a 930 price without the 930 VIN or chassis.

      He needs to get himself down near narrow-body non-turbo pricing.
      Agreed.

      I find myself every once and awhile thinking I could be happy with a super clean narrow body....then I get real.
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      11-08-2013 08:42 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Price wise I think the guy is in the ballpark for sure. Though its not a run and buy it now deal. I have been squirreling cash away for this for awhile but it is still going to be a lifestyle change. I hate debt.

      What scares me:
      I have based the purchase justification on being able to liquidate the car quickly should my lifestyle change. I think the respray and title issue really hurt me here. This car will forever have a story. That being said, I am not a serial car buyer. The intent here is that this car is a long term hold for me.
      The engine re-build or not rebuilt is big question mark.

      Willtel?
      I say that you can't afford that car. This is based on being in PCA for 15 years and meeting many people who told me the same story. Set your goals on something else.

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      Pretty OT, but this one's for sale now on this side of the pond.



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      11-08-2013 09:05 AM #55
      Wow, that looks delicious.
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      11-08-2013 11:02 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Wow, that looks delicious.
      x2

    7. 11-08-2013 11:22 AM #57
      930s are way to rich for my blood, but I do love my 84 3.2. I will echo what others have said and say starting with the right car is the most important thing. Plenty of people with delusions of grandeur that think they have the holy grail, and plenty of others who have neglected the cars. The former is going to cost too much up front, the latter too much in the long term.

      You want a driven and enjoyed car from an enthusiast who also takes care of it. Unfortunately, they are hard to find. Instead of looking at dealers, ask a local indy shop to keep their ear open of customer cars going for sale, or see if you can attend a PCA event.

      I got very lucky and found mine on cars.com of all places, the only place it was advertised. I went to take a look expecting a heap, the car was great. Not perfect, but driven and maintained. The guy was shopping for the right owner, and fortunately he thought I would be a good one. I got a smoking deal.

      The cars are great. Simple and fun to work on. Tough as nails. Plenty of parts, though some can be expensive. And not much drives quite like them.

      Just like with women, the chase is a huge part of the fun. Don't rush it. Don't settle. When the right one comes along, you'll know.




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      11-08-2013 03:04 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Wow, that looks delicious.
      The car has been made extremely track capable with a heap of mods.
      Here's a shaky video I shot from the passenger's seat at a track.


      It sounds delicious, too.
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      11-08-2013 04:02 PM #59
      Serious question--why the hell would you want to spend $35K+ on a 930, when there are 997s out there for nearly the same $?

      2005 C2S with 49,000 miles for $37.5K on Autotrader:

      http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...41387504&Log=0

      Too many miles? OK, how about this one? 2005 C2 w/3600 miles for $34,900.

      http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...58326905&Log=0
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      Quote Originally Posted by jamerican1
      Dude, you know you're like the opposite of a purist, right?

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      11-08-2013 04:07 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Serious question--why the hell would you want to spend $35K+ on a 930, when there are 997s out there for nearly the same $?
      one of those two things is going to continue to appreciate, not to mention the fact that old cars are easier to tinker on, etc.

      if it were my money and i had my heart set on a porsche, id be doing the same thing. going older rather than newer for the same $

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      11-08-2013 04:21 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      one of those two things is going to continue to appreciate, not to mention the fact that old cars are easier to tinker on, etc.

      if it were my money and i had my heart set on a porsche, id be doing the same thing. going older rather than newer for the same $
      Isn't it a tad early to presume that 997s will not be as desirable?

      Part of the reason 964/930/993 prices are so insane is because the move to water-cooled was so problematic at first and sent Porsche faithful running into the past. If the early 996s hadn't been so unfamiliar (and so bad), I'm not sure we'd have the collector market for the air-cooled cars that we have today.

      Does that sound totally ridiculous?
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      Quote Originally Posted by jamerican1
      Dude, you know you're like the opposite of a purist, right?

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      11-08-2013 06:37 PM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Isn't it a tad early to presume that 997s will not be as desirable?
      i dunno, it might be.
      but my hunch is if you bought a $30k 930 today, and a $30k 997, that 997 might dip a bit more before eventually (maybe?) going up in value... whereas the 930 is much more likely to get more expensive

      i, like many other people, like old cars in general, so i dont see why cross shopping a newer version would really be applicable, despite the same cost.

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      11-08-2013 06:51 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      i dunno, it might be.
      but my hunch is if you bought a $30k 930 today, and a $30k 997, that 997 might dip a bit more before eventually (maybe?) going up in value... whereas the 930 is much more likely to get more expensive

      i, like many other people, like old cars in general, so i dont see why cross shopping a newer version would really be applicable, despite the same cost.
      That and there are not as many 930's due to lower sale volumes and their less than beginner survival rate. Anyone can own and drive a 997, even a 996 for that matter as they have many features that will keep the driver out of the hedges. I would not be surprised to see 30k 930's going for 50's in the next 10 years.

      Plus there is something about owning and driving a car that if driven like most eco box drivers, will result in death.
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      11-08-2013 06:54 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Isn't it a tad early to presume that 997s will not be as desirable?

      Part of the reason 964/930/993 prices are so insane is because the move to water-cooled was so problematic at first and sent Porsche faithful running into the past. If the early 996s hadn't been so unfamiliar (and so bad), I'm not sure we'd have the collector market for the air-cooled cars that we have today.

      Does that sound totally ridiculous?
      Porsche built more 997s in the first two years of production than it did 930s from 1976-1989. Supply and demand and a global market for the 930 make air cooled prices what they are.

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      11-08-2013 07:13 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by gsprobe View Post
      To me, a salvage title should de-value a car 50%. This guy is acting like the salvage title is no big deal. I think the price is in lne with a non branded title.

      So, where is the penalty for branded title? The seller wants you to take that responsibility, while avoiding the topic altogether.

      Rule 1- any story about why a car has the rebuilt or salvage title is BS.
      This.

      I was looking at a 911 on Pelican, looked great, priced great...

      Seller had a huge wall of text talking about the car then I noticed "needs only an alignment", "had a shop align it, but they did it wrong", and "has salvage title from the '90s, minor front fender bender, just replaced the front bumper".

      uh huh


      Also for something to be salvaged, it normally needs to accumulate 50% of it's value in damages. 50% of a brand new Porsche is a lot of scratch. I've heard of returned theft recoveries not being salvaged because there was no payout.

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      11-08-2013 11:33 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      I say that you can't afford that car. This is based on being in PCA for 15 years and meeting many people who told me the same story. Set your goals on something else.

      obin
      I hope you mean, that particular example. Otherwise...damn dude.

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      In regards to the 930 vs 997, to me personally the only thing they share is a badge and drive-train layout. I just dont have any passion for the 997. I hold no illusion its a "better" car in all measurable respects. Just not the ones that are important to me. Will the 997 be desirable/appreciate? Sure, but its not going to be me on that train. If I was looking for a awesome daily driver/back road weapon then we would be having a different discussion.

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      And a note on on the salvage title thing. You're right, something to keep in mind re: older 911s. Allot of these cars have histories, its nature of the era and the car and who it attracted. The car I looked it in particular was a theft with the documentation to prove it with body shop pics which showed no damage. Again, youre right, this car was the exception.

      I spoke to the dealer who had the 86 with the fully built 3.4 car I mentioned earlier. Prospective buyer came in from Finland on Monday, bought the car on the spot at $49K.

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      11-08-2013 11:55 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by DeckManDubs View Post
      Plus there is something about owning and driving a car that if driven like most eco box drivers, will result in death.
      That 'something' is pure stupidity unless you are driving the car on a closed road or a private track.

      Quote Originally Posted by patrickvr6 View Post
      Porsche built more 997s in the first two years of production than it did 930s from 1976-1989. Supply and demand and a global market for the 930 make air cooled prices what they are.
      That's certainly true. Do you believe they will just keep rising, or do you think there is a market correction in store as some have suggested here recently?

      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      I hope you mean, that particular example. Otherwise...damn dude.
      Even if he was just talking 930s in general, he's got a point.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jamerican1
      Dude, you know you're like the opposite of a purist, right?

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      11-09-2013 12:04 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Even if he was just talking 930s in general, he's got a point.
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      11-09-2013 07:18 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Even if he was just talking 930s in general, he's got a point.
      I was talking about 930s in general. Just ask my friend Warren that threw a rod and then $16,000 later the problems with the car were fixed. These are not cheap cars and if you're concerned about money keeping them "collectible" will involve major cash injections. I've seen plenty of people try to get into Porsche ownership and be cheapskates about it. Set your goals on another Porsche and then be happy with your choice. Do you really think I'd be driving a Boxster if I could afford a 937? Do you think I'd drive a 937 if I could afford a 980? There are plenty of Porsches out there that you can afford. In your case with your criteria the 930 is not one of them.

      Read this thread. The info is solid:

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-lots-of-money

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      11-09-2013 09:01 AM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      I was talking about 930s in general. Just ask my friend Warren that threw a rod and then $16,000 later the problems with the car were fixed. These are not cheap cars and if you're concerned about money keeping them "collectible" will involve major cash injections. I've seen plenty of people try to get into Porsche ownership and be cheapskates about it. Set your goals on another Porsche and then be happy with your choice. Do you really think I'd be driving a Boxster if I could afford a 937? Do you think I'd drive a 937 if I could afford a 980? There are plenty of Porsches out there that you can afford. In your case with your criteria the 930 is not one of them.

      Read this thread. The info is solid:

      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-lots-of-money

      obin
      All good information if you're budget strapped.

      But to be honest, once you get beyond the seemingly 200 feet of vacuum lines and junk that doesn't need to be on the motor for it to run the 930 is a pretty simple car. Air goes in, spins around in that snail thing, gets crammed into the flat six and comes out the underside. They're surprisingly easy to work on yourself if you take the time to read and learn things.

      Having said that, they're easy to work on until you have to crack the cases open, then things would be a little more "specialized" or intricate and expensive.

      If the engine doesn't blow up then maintaining the car is very similar to any other 30-35 year old classic as far as the car's needs are concerned.

      I've done a lot of work on our two 930's the last few years. Including upgrading the street car to a K27 turbo, fabspeed intercooler, additional oil coolers, finned oil cooling lines, etc. and it has been driven on the track under boost A LOT and held together amazingly well. The race car we've removed the engine to replace the clutch, re-done the entire electrical and fuel systems etc. Been all through the entire car. The road car hasn't been overly expensive to maintain, the biggest items being tires and brake pads which are ridiculously simple to change btw, I wish every car's pads were that simple.

      If the car is solid and runs well, it can be a great car, reliable and cheap to maintain.

      On the other hand, if you get yourself into a cluster**** of a car or one that blows up you're in for a bad time. That's all Obin is saying, if you don't have a spare $15-20K in the bank "just in case" then these aren't the car for you to be honest, you could be looking at a garage ornament for a long time. And as the years wear on more and more people have cranked the boost in these cars, owned them temporarily and beat the snot out of them. The factory cooling system isn't up to the task of heavy boost driving on the track. The car's oil will get pretty warm, so if the car has been driven hard it's tough to say if it will hold together or not. It's a gamble.

      We've spent a good amount of time trying to sort out an issue with the race car and still haven't determined the root cause, we've made numerous improvements along the way though. This is with the help of some VERY knowledgeable Porsche mechanics who have built numerous street and race cars, still stumped. We will be back into it pulling things apart to find the issue. This has been more time consuming than costly.

      You just can't make any delusions about the car being dead nuts reliable, because to be honest nobody really knows and only time will tell.
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    21. 11-09-2013 09:10 AM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Serious question--why the hell would you want to spend $35K+ on a 930, when there are 997s out there for nearly the same $?

      Too many miles? OK, how about this one? 2005 C2 w/3600 miles for $34,900.

      http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...58326905&Log=0
      This one is cheap because it's a salvage/flood title. Link. But I agree with you 100%, it's just that I would spend a little more and get a clean title 997 with a few miles on it (under 40k miles) for upper 30k range. To me, that makes more sense than buying a 25-30 year old car for similar money with a sketchy or unknown/undocumented history.
      Last edited by sullie; 11-09-2013 at 09:29 AM.

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      11-09-2013 09:20 AM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by gsprobe View Post
      To me, a salvage title should de-value a car 50%. This guy is acting like the salvage title is no big deal. I think the price is in lne with a non branded title.

      So, where is the penalty for branded title? The seller wants you to take that responsibility, while avoiding the topic altogether.

      Rule 1- any story about why a car has the rebuilt or salvage title is BS.
      This. I wouldn't pay $30K for any car with a branded title

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      11-10-2013 06:35 AM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by lojasmo View Post
      This. I wouldn't pay $30K for any car with a branded title
      Ditto. I especially would avoid a 930 with a salvage title unless I had a 6 figure checking account and I really wanted to just burn it irresponsibly.

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    24. 11-10-2013 07:14 AM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by geofftii2002 View Post
      I have a silver/black one that has 50K miles and is very reasonably priced!!!
      Wow...do want!

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      11-15-2013 07:39 AM #75
      This one looks pretty good despite the high miles. It has the usual mods and seems to have had a rebuild done.

      http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...che-930-a.html



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