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      11-15-2013 11:36 AM #76
      oh man, that looks nice...
      not so hot on that interior, but that price seems low for something that well maintained, no?

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      11-15-2013 04:29 PM #77
      I was looking that one last night. From the pics it looks like a re-spray but from the little info avail its on the call list. I am headed up to look at the Prussian blue car Sunday.
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      11-15-2013 06:08 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      I was looking that one last night. From the pics it looks like a re-spray but from the little info avail its on the call list. I am headed up to look at the Prussian blue car Sunday.
      She's pretty alight. At least the trunk has original paint..

      Can we set up something to look at when I come up in a few weeks?
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      11-16-2013 02:12 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave View Post
      She's pretty alight. At least the trunk has original paint..
      I do see what always looks like damage on where the rear lid meets the fenders. I think the pain from the factory paint was always thin there.


      Quote Originally Posted by Diamond Dave View Post
      Can we set up something to look at when I come up in a few weeks?
      Sure Dave, they grow on trees up here. /Sigh
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      11-18-2013 12:19 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      I was talking about 930s in general. Just ask my friend Warren that threw a rod and then $16,000 later the problems with the car were fixed. These are not cheap cars and if you're concerned about money keeping them "collectible" will involve major cash injections.

      A motor rebuild will cost 15-20K grand minimum, no illusions here of it being cheap to own. If you think that you won't face this bill at some point then you are kidding yourself. I am pragmatic about it and take it as a given that someday its going to happen. Hell it may happen as you drive it home for the first time.


      I'm not concerned with keeping it collectible, I'm also not going to do any silly mods that I cant revert should the time come to put the car on the market.


      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      I've seen plenty of people try to get into Porsche ownership and be cheapskates about it. Set your goals on another Porsche and then be happy with your choice. Do you really think I'd be driving a Boxster if I could afford a 937? Do you think I'd drive a 937 if I could afford a 980?

      What exactly about me/this approach strikes you as being a "cheapskate"? The whole purpose of having a price range is to be smart about the price and what the cost is to run the car.


      I feel like you are saying that if a $60K low mile 930 isn't in my price range I should just go be happy with Boxer. If so, wow, that sounds totally miserable.


      Quote Originally Posted by Obin Robinson View Post
      There are plenty of Porsches out there that you can afford. In your case with your criteria the 930 is not one of them.


      Read this thread. The info is solid:


      http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-lots-of-money

      If you look you will see I not only read that thread I posted in it.


      I must really not be communicating what my criteria are for both you and Ross to respond the way you have. Its real simple. I am going to buy the best I can afford, within that equation what I can afford includes the big ticket repairs.


      So that brings me to the above blue car which I looked at this weekend. Overall the car had allot going for it.


      Had a few light modifications that seemed for the most part well thought out. Car had higher miles which I like. Car sees frequent use and maintenance was done either by the owner or a well-known local shop. Leaking some oil from a sensor. The case seam, cam covers and oil tubes/lines were not excessively wet. The interior for me would need some work but that all pretty easy and I enjoy that kind of work. Allup, nothing scary.


      The fly in the ointment was as expected, the paint. The seller was really honest about it being a 20ft car and it needing a re-spray. But upon seeing it in the flesh (as I feel you have to do since condition is often very subjective) it was really sad. The previous owner has the car re-sprayed at some point and it looks like it was a pretty crappy job. The paint seems to have chipped really bad, but that’s not the worst. The PO then attacked each chip with a touch up brush….there had to been 250-300 chips all over the body. All. Touched. Up. Some as large as a pencil eraser. To quote Dr. Thompson, "the mind recoils in horror.".


      I have talked at length what I could live with condition wise, unfortunately this was beyond that line. The seller was totally great about it and had no delusions about what the car was. His passion is driving the car and as such his focus has been keeping the car in top running condition. He has driven the car back and forth to Texas and down to southern California without issue. The aesthetics to him were not as high on the priority list as they are to me.


      We talked for about an hour and half. I decided not to drive the car (it was raining anyway), car did however fire right up and sounded very healthy.


      Price wise his initial number was high and I told him I felt as much. He was very open to wheeling and dealing and understood why I was where I was price wise. He is not in a hurry to move the car. He is using the cash from the car to upgrade to a bigger sailboat. All together a great guy and great experience.


      The ball is in my court on the car. I would have to have the car re-sprayed immediately so this week I am going to do some sanity checking on what that would run (the number I have in my head is 10K if I strip everything but the windows).


      It's nice that neither of us in a hurry. I feel like it's likely not the car for me but its worth doing some more investigation since niether us is rushed and the investigation will only make me more educated.


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      It was really hard to get a shot of the "touch up work". Just picture this over the entire front end and a few places along the side.


      <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/looneys_on_the_lawn/10912130454/" title="IMG_4844.jpg by thecrashingdoor, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7367/10912130454_a167cf915d_b.jpg" width="1024" height="683" alt="IMG_4844.jpg"></a>


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      11-18-2013 12:23 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      What exactly aboutme/this approach strikes you as being a "cheapskate"? The wholepurpose of having a price range is to be smart about the price and what thecost is to run the car.

      I feel like you aresaying that if a $60K low mile 930 isn't in my price range I should just go behappy with Boxer. If so, wow, that sounds totally miserable.
      its obins standard response to every porsche thread.

      i think bill gates himself could come in here and he'd get the same answer - "you probably cant afford to keep it up properly, you should just buy a boxster"

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      11-18-2013 12:33 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      its obins standard response to every porsche thread.

      i think bill gates himself could come in here and he'd get the same answer - "you probably cant afford to keep it up properly, you should just buy a boxster"
      Heh, good to know. Ill start cross shopping Corvairs too, pretty much the same thing, just cheaper to maintain.
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      11-18-2013 12:38 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Heh, good to know. Ill start cross shopping Corvairs too, pretty much the same thing, just cheaper to maintain.
      As someone who owns a 911 and a Corvair, there is actually some truth to this.
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      11-18-2013 01:00 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by ArmenB View Post
      As someone who owns a 911 and a Corvair, there is actually some truth to this.
      Well played sir.
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      11-18-2013 01:02 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by BigSkyGLI View Post
      Wow...do want!
      I still have it! Though I have an inspector coming for a buyer tomorrow... who knows! Hope it'll go soon, I'm ready for it to sell.
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      01-02-2014 02:26 PM #86
      Well I am now waiting for a PPI on a car that I found (if you can believe it) 3 blocks from my house.....one step closer.
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      01-02-2014 02:52 PM #87
      Any pictures?

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      01-02-2014 03:18 PM #88
      Ill hopefully have decent pics once the PPI is done.

      Its an 86, Blk on blk, period correct 3 piece BBSs and thats it for exterior, its running B&B headers and dual exhaust with a Tial WG. Option wise it has the power heated sport seats, sunroof, rear wiper, headlight washers, full leather. Not sure if its a LSD car yet, will know after the PPI. Had a fresh motor out service bout 1K miles ago where they did a clutch job and some oil lines/seals. Motor is completely dry. The last PPI on the car about 6 years and 3K miles ago showed 5% or less across all cyls with 5 out of six showing 2-3% leakdown. Current owner daily drives the car about 100miles a week. Has 68K on the clock right now.

      Mechanic is out till tomorrow so still waiting on that to be scheduled.
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      01-02-2014 03:20 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      Serious question--why the hell would you want to spend $35K+ on a 930, when there are 997s out there for nearly the same $?

      Too many miles? OK, how about this one? 2005 C2 w/3600 miles for $34,900.

      http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...58326905&Log=0
      While a 930 is on my bucket list....I agree with your logic!

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      01-02-2014 03:27 PM #90
      Its an apples to oranges thing for me re:997. If I was planning on daily driving the 930, sure it could be seen as foolish taking into account 997 prices.
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      01-02-2014 03:39 PM #91
      Wow, sounds like a catch! Looking forward to some pics

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      01-02-2014 03:56 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      Wow, sounds like a catch! Looking forward to some pics
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      It is a good time to get one while you can. Unlike 997s values on 930 are really starting to climb.

      http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtool...port?vc=855922

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      01-02-2014 04:00 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      Its an apples to oranges thing for me re:997. If I was planning on daily driving the 930, sure it could be seen as foolish taking into account 997 prices.
      There's just something about an aircooled Porsche that you can't recreate in the newer cars. For the price I paid for my 911 I could have gotten a much more performance ready Cayman S, but again it just didn't have that feel.
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      01-02-2014 04:26 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by patrickvr6 View Post
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      It is a good time to get one while you can. Unlike 997s values on 930 are really starting to climb.

      http://www.hagerty.com/valuationtool...port?vc=855922
      I knew it wouldnt take long for the CL to figure it out.

      I was able to get the car for what I feel is a very good price considering their ask.

      Its a very honest car. I have done allot of soul searching about what finding a 930 meant to me and what I would be happy with, much of that searching for better or worse is in this thread. I have appreciated all the feedback.

      This car is not cosmetically perfect IMO, and I hate to use this phrase, but it presents well. And at the end of the day condition wise that was exactly the budget I was working with. After passing on the first car in Olympia, checking out two others and then considering a car in Ohio price wise I am happy where I landed. The seller and his son who is brokering the car couldn't be more accommodating and i feel honest.
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      Sweet! Glad you finally got a new car too.
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      01-02-2014 04:36 PM #96
      Thanks Brendan.

      I'm trying to be patient.....and failing.
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      01-02-2014 04:51 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      I'm trying to be patient.....and failing.
      Brendan's example is a good one. He waited until just the right car came along and it got sold out from under him. Not too long afterward he found an even better one.

      Heh, in your scenario I'd be bouncing in my seat all wide-eyed, too. I missed this thread earlier, but if it goes through, congratulations! If not, you're a patient guy, so just continue on. If you jump into one of these without doing the groundwork... Well, I obviously don't have to tell you.

      It looks good, but man, as much as I love the look of black cars I'd never buy another one unless somehow I'm not the one who has to keep it clean. I'm sure I don't have to tell you about that, either.
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      01-02-2014 05:00 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Brendan's example is a good one. He waited until just the right car came along and it got sold out from under him. Not too long afterward he found an even better one.

      Heh, in your scenario I'd be bouncing in my seat all wide-eyed, too. I missed this thread earlier, but if it goes through, congratulations! If not, you're a patient guy, so just continue on. If you jump into one of these without doing the groundwork... Well, I obviously don't have to tell you.

      It looks good, but man, as much as I love the look of black cars I'd never buy another one unless somehow I'm not the one who has to keep it clean. I'm sure I don't have to tell you about that, either.
      You are on point with all this.

      While my foot is sore from kicking myself over passing on the original car this car seems like a better fit, albeit pricier. And this car is dramatically faster for some reason, I assume it has a 1 bar spring because its truly viscous.

      And yes, I told myself I would never do a black car considering my OCD. I know there will be many Gollum nights in the garage applying wax.
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      01-02-2014 05:14 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      You are on point with all this.

      While my foot is sore from kicking myself over passing on the original car this car seems like a better fit, albeit pricier. And this car is dramatically faster for some reason, I assume it has a 1 bar spring because its truly viscous.

      And yes, I told myself I would never do a black car considering my OCD. I know there will be many Gollum nights in the garage applying wax.
      I've been lurking about, waiting to see what you ended up with. Beautiful car! I'm subscribing for future updates and conversation. Well done sir!
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      Oof...that thing needs some TLC, good luck!

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