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      03-12-2014 02:08 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      The Cayman looks pretty weird from the front - I really dislike the headlights and front bumper. The 991 looks gorgeous from all angles but it is now a behemoth.
      It's surprising, when you examine the specs, the sizing is closer than I thought.

      981 is only 4 inches shorter than the 991. The 991 is 3 inches taller and the width is the same. Despite this, the 981's wheebase is longer than the 991. The 991 weighs 130lbs more. But has 75 more hp.
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      03-12-2014 03:10 PM #78
      75 more hp with 20" wheels = rotational weight just made the 911 more appealing if you 'h-a-d' to get 20's....

      I dunno... in Cahaduh we can only go so fast without getting into deep isht.
      thankfully there is no acceleration limit.

      my vote is 911....

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      03-12-2014 03:13 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      The Cayman looks pretty weird from the front - I really dislike the headlights and front bumper. The 991 looks gorgeous from all angles but it is now a behemoth.
      i cant find a bad angle on the car imo. i really want to own one in 4-5 years when they drop in price. heck i even think the boxster looks nice than 991 cab

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      03-12-2014 03:17 PM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by rammalammadingdong View Post
      75 more hp with 20" wheels = rotational weight just made the 911 more appealing if you 'h-a-d' to get 20's.
      I was trying to calculate the power to weight ratio of both cars, but I'm bad with math. Here are the raw stats.

      Cayman 1340kg / 275hp

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      03-12-2014 04:19 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      The 991 looks gorgeous from all angles but it is now a behemoth.
      I'm assuming you believe the 911 has grown exponentially since its last generation, it hasn't. No more than an inch difference in any direction from the 997 except for the wheelbase which has grown around 3". Compare the 997 dimensions: length=4425mm, width=1770mm, height=1270mm, wheelbase=2350 to the ones Hawk posted for the 991.
      Yes, modern 911's are quite a bit larger than 60's-early 90's ones, but so are pretty much any other cars era to era. I think certain styling cues of the 991 might make it look larger by itself, but when it's side by side with other cars, it's still pretty small. I can park mine without having to get a flagman to assist.
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      03-12-2014 04:21 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      I was trying to calculate the power to weight ratio of both cars, but I'm bad with math. Here are the raw stats.

      Cayman 1340kg / 275hp

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      Cayman=4.8kg per hp
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      03-12-2014 04:34 PM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      Yup. Black on Black.



      http://goo.gl/maps/n6dv2

      It is when I take the DVP/Gardiner/427/407. I ain't cutting through the heart of Toronto for 2 hours to get there. And the 401 is gridlocked 24/7 these days.
      I refuse to believe that makes more sense than DVP/404/407. 427's better than DVP, but the Gardiner is mostly gridlocked in my experience.

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      03-12-2014 04:37 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by rammalammadingdong View Post
      75 more hp with 20" wheels = rotational weight just made the 911 more appealing if you 'h-a-d' to get 20's....
      The 19" wheels that come on the base Carrera are actually pretty nice looking.


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      03-12-2014 04:42 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      One of the partners at the ad agency I work in caught the bug BIG TIME though. He had a modified Cayman R he drove all last year that he sold in the fall to buy a Lotus race car. Not sure what the model is exactly but it was about $90K and can't be driven on the streets, plus slick tires. Traded the Cayman for it. He loves the track so much he won't even talk street cars with me any more and said I might as well just buy a Macan if I'm not tracking it.
      I know a guy like this. He drives this on the road and (naturally) tracks it, too. It's got an engine tune, intake, mad loud exhaust, it's lowered, has a full cage, a laminated picture of the radio to cover the hole for the radio that was removed...


      His family car is a Panamera S and he also has a shared 997 GT3 Cup racecar, his wife has a 997 GT3 Cup racecar, as well, i.e. they both race in the GT3 Cup series here. And he's also got a 964 N-GT racecar. A Porsche guy, you could say.

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      03-12-2014 05:54 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      I refuse to believe that makes more sense than DVP/404/407. 427's better than DVP, but the Gardiner is mostly gridlocked in my experience.
      And the DVP/404 isn't gridlock madness when????
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      No, the real enthusiast vehicle would be the RX8. It combines V12 Lamborghini gas mileage with Hyundai Genesis 4cyl. performance.

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      03-12-2014 06:17 PM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by Double-V View Post
      And the DVP/404 isn't gridlock madness when????
      They're bad, but his other route with DVP/DVP-Gardiner Junction/Gardiner/... is bad too. DVP/404 is also 10km less total, and you get north of the 401 to where traffic gets better 18km sooner.

      If I'm going to do the bumper-to-bumper crawling thing one way or another, I'd rather do it for ~18 less km.

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      03-12-2014 06:34 PM #88
      The title says "end of an era" so I'm also guessing a base 991.
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      03-12-2014 06:42 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by Mike! View Post
      I refuse to believe that makes more sense than DVP/404/407.
      Yeah, I'm not sure which is the best route, but I know that one is a little more expensive more time on the 407.
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      03-12-2014 06:45 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Nubbin View Post
      The title says "end of an era" so I'm also guessing a base 991.
      I know you own a GTR, but if you had to do it again, would you choose the 991 or GTR?

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      03-12-2014 06:59 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      I know you own a GTR, but if you had to do it again, would you choose the 991 or GTR?
      I had a GT-R and now have a 997 turbo. They are so, so different. It really depends on what you want. The GT-R is a machine built to go as fast as possible. It feels that way. Everything it does has this goal as its end point. It is colder, more clinical, more calculating. It is a LOT faster with basic mods than an equivalent 997 turbo in the real world on the street.

      The Porsche is more emotional (notice I said more, not OMG ITS SO MUCH MORE). It feels a bit Italian next to the GT-R. Slightly quirky. More lovable in a way. It is not as fast, but I don't mind really. It's more fun to drive in a "tool around town" kind of way due to the extra "specialness" of the whole thing. It sounds like an airplane at 2800 rpm, the rear end shakes when you start it, etc. Basically the GT-R feels like a really, really fast normal, regular car. The 911 feels like a really fast boutique car. Choose your poison. Can't go wrong with either.
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      03-12-2014 07:09 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by Toaster29 View Post
      I had a GT-R and now have a 997 turbo. They are so, so different. It really depends on what you want. The GT-R is a machine built to go as fast as possible. It feels that way. Everything it does has this goal as its end point. It is colder, more clinical, more calculating. It is a LOT faster with basic mods than an equivalent 997 turbo in the real world on the street.

      The Porsche is more emotional (notice I said more, not OMG ITS SO MUCH MORE). It feels a bit Italian next to the GT-R. Slightly quirky. More lovable in a way. It is not as fast, but I don't mind really. It's more fun to drive in a "tool around town" kind of way due to the extra "specialness" of the whole thing. It sounds like an airplane at 2800 rpm, the rear end shakes when you start it, etc. Basically the GT-R feels like a really, really fast normal, regular car. The 911 feels like a really fast boutique car. Choose your poison. Can't go wrong with either.
      Thank you for your response I've read through your thread a couple times. Did you have any maintenance problems with your GTR? Which would you consider a more supercar like experience? From reading what you said, it seems like the 911 is more quirky and more livable around town? Besides wanting an MT, what made you really switch from GTR to 997TT?

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      03-12-2014 07:30 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      Thank you for your response I've read through your thread a couple times. Did you have any maintenance problems with your GTR? Which would you consider a more supercar like experience? From reading what you said, it seems like the 911 is more quirky and more livable around town? Besides wanting an MT, what made you really switch from GTR to 997TT?
      Not one single problem with the GTR. They are actually very reliable cars despite what the internet would try to tell you. Trans problems are the only potential source of issues and those can be dealt with quickly, easily, and relatively inexpensively now that the GR6 aftermarket is so pervasive. You can get your trans back to new with every single problem area fixed for $2k.

      Honestly, the GT-R has more of the wow factor as far as performance to show off to your friends goes. It is SO, SO fast on the street. The 911 has the badge and the looks. It is fast, but the GT-R would make me shake my head in disbelief even after 2 years.

      Both cars are equally livable. Swap some Pilot Super Sports on the GT-R and DD the heck out of it. Maintenance is just like any other Nissan. The trans is easy to service.

      I switched because I like lots of cars. The 997TT was the car I would have bought if the GT-R wasn't around. I wanted to do something different even if I probably will still end up with another GT-R one day.
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      03-12-2014 07:46 PM #94
      Whoa - nice one, J. Congrats!

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      03-12-2014 08:06 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      I know you own a GTR, but if you had to do it again, would you choose the 991 or GTR?
      Well I bought my GT-R new in late 2008 for a lot less than a base 997.

      Back then almost every dealer was charging a good $10-$20k premium on these despite the on-going sub-prime mortgage crisis, and I was lucky to find one for the original MSRP (74k, BTW). If I hadn't, I'd probably wait for a while longer and get a 997 Turbo instead.
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      03-12-2014 09:15 PM #97
      Quote Originally Posted by Brendan@bwalkauto View Post
      I feel your pain Hawk. I sold an E39 I had for 8 years. It was pretty tough to watch it drive away with some other person behind the wheel.
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    23. 03-12-2014 10:12 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by Son View Post
      I know a guy like this. He drives this on the road and (naturally) tracks it, too. It's got an engine tune, intake, mad loud exhaust, it's lowered, has a full cage, a laminated picture of the radio to cover the hole for the radio that was removed..;
      this is soooo awesome!

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      03-12-2014 11:07 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by Vicks View Post
      I know you own a GTR, but if you had to do it again, would you choose the 991 or GTR?
      It's funny, when I bought my GTR, I almost bought a used 991S. In hindsight I should have bought the 991S. I loved the performance of the GT-R, but the 991 was just so comfortable and usable. Oh well, next time :-)
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      03-12-2014 11:13 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Toaster29 View Post
      Not one single problem with the GTR. They are actually very reliable cars despite what the internet would try to tell you. Trans problems are the only potential source of issues and those can be dealt with quickly, easily, and relatively inexpensively now that the GR6 aftermarket is so pervasive. You can get your trans back to new with every single problem area fixed for $2k.

      Honestly, the GT-R has more of the wow factor as far as performance to show off to your friends goes. It is SO, SO fast on the street. The 911 has the badge and the looks. It is fast, but the GT-R would make me shake my head in disbelief even after 2 years.

      Both cars are equally livable. Swap some Pilot Super Sports on the GT-R and DD the heck out of it. Maintenance is just like any other Nissan. The trans is easy to service.

      I switched because I like lots of cars. The 997TT was the car I would have bought if the GT-R wasn't around. I wanted to do something different even if I probably will still end up with another GT-R one day.
      I agree completely. Every time you push the GT-R hard you're amazed (and mine had all seasons, not even the sticky tires). It's probably the most technically impressive car I have driven, definitely if you take price into account. Yeah, people love to hate the GT-R, bringing up trans issues and 'video game' driving experience. They couldn't be more wrong.

      I found the GTR less livable the 991. The 991s cabin is roomy, quieter, better stereo, better ride quality, but performance was no comparison.
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