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      07-17-2015 11:55 AM #76
      just found this now... very interesting. was reading the first bit about the importation. am I correct in thinking that you can import the BIW of a car that was not sold here using kit car regs ONLY if it has never had a VIN assigned to it? is that what it boils down to?

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      07-17-2015 12:43 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by boner View Post
      just found this now... very interesting. was reading the first bit about the importation. am I correct in thinking that you can import the BIW of a car that was not sold here using kit car regs ONLY if it has never had a VIN assigned to it? is that what it boils down to?
      Good luck getting a Body in White from the MFR.... they do NOT want to sell that stuff to anyone.

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      07-18-2015 09:53 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by boner View Post
      just found this now... very interesting. was reading the first bit about the importation. am I correct in thinking that you can import the BIW of a car that was not sold here using kit car regs ONLY if it has never had a VIN assigned to it? is that what it boils down to?
      That is correct. Until it has a VIN assigned, it's not a car - it's just a part, a hunk of metal. Once it has a VIN assigned, it's legally a car. This is why RUFs are RUFs and not Porsches. RUF purchases a body in white with no VIN from Porsche, and then when they build the car they assign their own RUF VIN. (Or not - some RUF builds take place on Porsches and have Porsche VINs, but that's an entirely other complicated story...).

      But basically yeah. A body in white without a VIN isn't a car, so you can import it and build it yourself, and then register it as a homebuilt car.

      As was mentioned though, it is almost always almost totally impossible to get your hands on a BIW without a VIN though. Jamie's van is a very, very special case.

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    5. 07-18-2015 10:16 PM #80
      To add to the body in white circus, not all manufacturers offer BIW programs. Some offer them on specific models, typically for racing purposes. Some dont have the capability. When I worked at 3R Racing, I had the wonderful task of drilling spot welds and removing unnecessary sheet metal from the interiors of a couple Volvo S60 bare chassis'. The shells we received to turn into race cars were pulled off the assembly line after galvanizing but before paint. That was the only spot apparently in their production line where a shell could be removed before getting anything more than sheetmetal parts.

      There is also some added confusion when you consider spec type race cars like Porsche Cup cars, Mustang Cobra jets and the like which don't have valid VINs AFAIK.

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      07-19-2015 09:47 AM #81
      It must be a very specific point since most cars have the VIN stamped on the body somewhere, usually covered by paint.

    7. 07-19-2015 04:45 PM #82
      TBH, I do not recall if the K-pax 3R Volvos had vins. But that is just one particular example.

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      07-20-2015 08:31 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Tim@VMG View Post
      That is correct. Until it has a VIN assigned, it's not a car - it's just a part, a hunk of metal. Once it has a VIN assigned, it's legally a car. This is why RUFs are RUFs and not Porsches. RUF purchases a body in white with no VIN from Porsche, and then when they build the car they assign their own RUF VIN. (Or not - some RUF builds take place on Porsches and have Porsche VINs, but that's an entirely other complicated story...).

      But basically yeah. A body in white without a VIN isn't a car, so you can import it and build it yourself, and then register it as a homebuilt car.

      As was mentioned though, it is almost always almost totally impossible to get your hands on a BIW without a VIN though. Jamie's van is a very, very special case.

      -Tim
      thanks for the clarification. it's understood that finding a BiW for sale is pretty rare... not like I'm planning that sort of thing anytime soon, just interesting to know....

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      07-20-2015 11:47 AM #84
      those wheels look amazing...
      but
      i hope those tires are for fitment only....i have those continentals and they´re really bad, like really, really bad.

      amazing work!!!
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      07-20-2015 04:16 PM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by cerksies View Post
      Good luck getting a Body in White from the MFR.... they do NOT want to sell that stuff to anyone.
      Some are willing to as part of a race program etc, but then the chassis is considered a race vehicle and would need to enter the country under a specific race qualification and cannot be imported as a normal car or used as such. D'oh.
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      07-20-2015 04:17 PM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by VW...vw...wv...WV View Post
      those wheels look amazing...
      but
      i hope those tires are for fitment only....i have those continentals and they´re really bad, like really, really bad.

      amazing work!!!
      Thanks! I mounted the tires temporarily to get the wheels on and the 'arches' filled for the event last weekend
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      07-22-2015 02:32 PM #87
      Ahah, found it! Officially in

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      07-23-2015 06:03 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by RennbahnPolizei View Post
      Looks like a wheel from a plug-in-hybrid.
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      09-14-2015 07:20 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by the brit View Post
      Some are willing to as part of a race program etc, but then the chassis is considered a race vehicle and would need to enter the country under a specific race qualification and cannot be imported as a normal car or used as such. D'oh.
      And there go the fanboys' dreams of building their own Sciroccos...

      back on topic, looks like progress is getting made, understand the LHD decision (but weird x weird is just that much cooler so personally I would go RHD )
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      09-14-2015 07:44 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Green Hare View Post
      And there go the fanboys' dreams of building their own Sciroccos...

      back on topic, looks like progress is getting made, understand the LHD decision (but weird x weird is just that much cooler so personally I would go RHD )
      HPA did not seem to have issues doing this.

      OP, how did Marcel manage this BTW? I feel like I read about him being THAT connected with VW but is that the case?

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      09-15-2015 09:29 AM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by arethirdytwo View Post
      HPA did not seem to have issues doing this.

      OP, how did Marcel manage this BTW? I feel like I read about him being THAT connected with VW but is that the case?

      Check where HPA is located

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      09-15-2015 12:02 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by arethirdytwo View Post
      HPA did not seem to have issues doing this.

      OP, how did Marcel manage this BTW? I feel like I read about him being THAT connected with VW but is that the case?
      I may be misquoting slightly, but his public statement was something along the lines of "I'll take that secret [of who his contact was] to my grave"
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      05-24-2016 10:55 PM #93
      Good grief this is way behind on updates.. Lots of reasons why, but here we are.

      Mental notes..

      VW Accessories parts list, for rear spoiler etc: https://www.volkswagen-vans.co.uk/me..._pricelist.pdf

      Need to find Touran 2010+ front end (bumper etc etc)
      Radiator, AC condenser, fans

      LHD specific: Hood release mech
      Touran door cards,
      Touran/Caddy carpet
      Floor mats
      Dashboard with all fittings
      Centre console
      Windshield wiper assembly complete with arms etc.
      Hood cowl


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      Touran V2 Front end conversion parts

      1T0 805 588 AD SLAM PANEL
      1T0 807 221 D BUMPER
      1T0 821 021 B WING LEFT
      1T0 821 022 B WING RIGHT
      1T0 821 135 B WING BRACE
      1T0 821 136 B WING BRACE
      1T0 823 031 L BONNET

      The r-line fogs are
      5K0 941 699 A - £53.80 plus vat
      5K0 941 700 A - £53.80 plus vat

      Front wing brackets (between bumper and wing below headlights)
      1T0 807 183A - £10.66 plus vat
      1T0 807 184A - £10.66 plus vat

      Foam filler pieces for rain channel under bonnet
      1T0 823 729 B - £3.44 plus vat
      1T0 823 730 C - £3.44 plus vat

      Touran front seat bases (extra storage, looks neater)

      Touran middle seat metal cutout, and seats (ala http://www.caddy2k.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7732)

      Sliding door mech cover:

      2K3-843-796 A ...Cover right:
      2K3-843-872 C ...Rail right:
      Bracket to make it bolt up if the chassis doesn't have it already: https://www.reflexautodesign.com/ind...plete-kit.html

      LHD Touran HID/LED Headlights: 1T1 941 751 H / 1T1 941 752 H

      Decide on silver / black / no roof rails.
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      05-24-2016 11:09 PM #94
      wow... sub'd!

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      05-25-2016 08:37 AM #95
      Sounds like you basically want to build a Touran with a Caddy rear end

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      05-25-2016 12:55 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by VDub2625 View Post
      Sounds like you basically want to build a Touran with a Caddy rear end
      They're basically exactly that from the factory, haha. Just the Touran got ever so slightly nicer, softer, parts on it.
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      03-20-2017 07:10 PM #97
      *Creeps quietly back into the thread.. *

      So, uhh, yeah, hi.. There's an engine, wiring, lights, paint, brakes, and things. I'll try to catch everything back up on that soon.

      Today.. windshield wipers. I'm going to try to convert the USA CAN-BUS single wiper motor, to the European dual independent wiper motors. Why? Because it looks cool basically. The amount of engineering (over-engineering really) that has gone into this system is insane.. It makes me want to hug the guys who worked on it. If you scroll to page 15 of this PDF you can read about 10 pages devoted to all the nuances built into them: http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_307_d2.pdf

      So, my notes on the install:

      Two new grommets are needed for the firewall. Thankfully they are the same as a USA Mk5 Jetta, which uses only one, so I ordered two of them new from VW. That's $3.40 well spent basically.

      On the USA single motor setup:
      1 x V216 - Windshield motor
      1 x J400 - CanBus wiper motor control module, built into the motor

      4 x wires:
      green/black 2.5 -> J368 Wiper Motor Relay 1 Pin 87a
      green/yellow 2.5 -> J368 Wiper Motor Relay 1 Pin 87
      black/grey 0.35 -> Directly to CanBus module connector T52a pin 14
      Brown 2.5 -> Ground in engine compartment harness

      On the European Touran dual motor setup:

      1 x J400 - CanBus 'master' wiper motor control unit (drivers side)
      1 x J584 - CanBus 'slave' wiper motor control unit (passenger side)

      Wiper 1 (master)
      Pin 1 - black/red 2.5->
      Pin 2 - brown 2.5 ->
      Pin 3 - blue/green 0.35 ->
      Pin 4 - violet/white 0.35 ->

      Wiper 2 (slave)
      Pin 1 - empty
      Pin 2 - blue/green 0.35 ->
      Pin 3 - brown 2.5 ->
      Pin 4 - black/red 2.5 ->

      I don't have the European wiring diagrams, but it seems pretty clear that blue/green is going to be the communication wire from motor master to slave module, and that Pin 4 Violet/white will be the CanBus data wire to the main module. Probably.

      I'll try to update more, I promise. I really do.
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      03-20-2017 07:23 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by the brit View Post
      *Creeps quietly back into the thread.. *

      So, uhh, yeah, hi..


      I'll try to update more, I promise. I really do.


      Sounds like it is coming along. In for a full update.
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      03-20-2017 08:05 PM #99
      Jamie I need a Vilkus Mk1 top if you ever find one in your travels. I'll buy it with a car if needed. The panels should just fit in the back of you caddy haha.

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      03-20-2017 08:27 PM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by Blade3562 View Post
      Jamie I need a Vilkus Mk1 top if you ever find one in your travels. I'll buy it with a car if needed. The panels should just fit in the back of you caddy haha.
      Didn't they only make like 5 of those tops?
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