Come to think of it, that could be your excuse... "No, I can't go out when it's icy, these things spin easily and I don't want to crash!"
Originally Posted by Boyz in da Park
Get a little more snow though and they are much more planted.
Part of that is my tire choice (which sucks for snow) but really I hate the wheelbase. Hopefully switching to something else for this winter and then in a year or 2 will be taking a sawzall to the frame.
No more soft top?
We already know the folding front windshield will be replaced by a fixed unit. According to Allpar’s source, the traditional soft top will also disappear. Additionally, the sport bar is replaced by an integrated substructure, likely with at least four stressed mounting points: “The traditional soft top is gone,” the website’s source says. “It appears to have removable soft panels over the substructure. The sport bar design is gone. It even appears to have built-in grab handles.”
Although hard-core fans may be saddened to see the traditional sport bar—commonly referred to as a “roll bar,” although litigation banned the use of that term years ago—the reasons for going this route are numerous. In addition to allowing engineers to optimize the body, aluminum or otherwise, for maximum torsional rigidity, it also will give FCA the opportunity to get a leg up on addressing any changes that may come along in the NHTSA safety mandates. The fixed A-pillar plays into this, as well. (Currently NHTSA maintains a “convertible exception” that permits open-top cars to resist less force than other vehicles.)
The design would also allow engineers to remove weight from the top assembly and lessen the need for lower-body structural reinforcements, which in turn helps with fuel economy and gives the vehicle a lower center of gravity. You can bet Jeep will configure a removable top of some kind to work with the new structure, and removable doors will likely also be part of the plan.
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These new customers did not adapt well to the noise, occasional leaks, and general chore of erecting/lowering their soft-tops.
I've seen numerous soft-tops (and hard-top) JKs driving around with some critical failure with putting the top on correctly.
These are the same people that will complain to JD Power, etc...., about the Jeep being "unreliable".
Considering all of this, and increased MPG and safety legislation on the horizon, Jeep probably saw this as the right time to make big changes to the open air Wrangler.
The current hardtop Wrangler has removable hard panels, so if this new soft-top design is similar to that, but with soft panels, I don't think it will be so bad.
Honestly, with the increase amount of roll cage and door framing on the current Wranglers, the classic "open-air" feeling is a thing of the past anyway.
I'm curious to see what the top solution is for the new one. I don't mind the soft top (aside from the windows) in mine, and since my jeep spends most of its time like this:
I hope the new one offers a similar amount of open air feel.
I think it's gonna end up having a power folding partial soft-top similar to the Fiat 500 Cabrio.
Some of the complaints mentioned are some of the things that I miss the most about my Jeep. The short wheel base makes it a little tail happy on ice but I never felt out of control even with the auto locker and 33x10.50 mud terrains. The soft top could be a PIA especially when it was cold but there is no other 4 wheel vehicle that gives your the open air experience aside from maybe an ariel atom.
This should interest a lot of you!
via AutomobileYou’re looking at a development mule of the next-generation Jeep Wrangler, which our spy photographers recently caught testing in both two-door and four-door forms. Though the prototypes are still using current-generation Wrangler bodies, a few notable modifications signify that new underpinnings are in play.
Up front, we can see that the hood is extended a bit aft of the front fenders, suggesting a different dash-to-axle ratio for the new off-roader. A matte finish on some of the prototypes also hints that certain body panels may incorporate aluminum to save weight, as we previously reported. The new Wrangler isn’t likely adopt a fully aluminum body like the Ford F-150 pickup, but certain parts like the doors, tailgate, fenders, and hood are expected to use the lightweight material.
Another significant change is a new suspension setup that’s visible in the rear. The current Wrangler’s rear crossmember is absent from these mules, making us think that the new SUV will use a different rear suspension geometry, though it’s too early to tell what that might be. The Jeep Wrangler currently uses a live axle with coil springs, trailing arms, and a stabilizer bar.
Expect the 2018 Jeep Wrangler to arrive in early 2018, possibly at that year’s Detroit auto show. It’s likely to shed weight compared with the current car, though it will retain the body-on-frame, off-road-oriented construction that makes it such a unique proposition in the automotive world.
Stay tuned for more news to come about the next Wrangler, and check out the photos of these prototypes in the meantime.
Last edited by Wimbledon; 05-20-2016 at 02:33 PM.
Can confirm that it resembles a wrangler