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      02-14-2017 08:57 AM #51
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      They are asking for Federal help.....where's your Calexit now? heheh
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      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      They are asking for Federal help.....where's your Calexit now? heheh
      LOLOL.

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      02-14-2017 09:18 AM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      They are asking for Federal help.....where's your Calexit now? heheh
      They're just asking for a little return of their outsized funding.
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      02-14-2017 09:31 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by kar_nut View Post
      Meh. The primary spillway failing doesn't cause any issues other than increased sediment downstream. Sounds like they inspected it and all was good. The emergency spillway hasn't been used since built. Given the recent drought, and the history, understandable that they couldn't secure State funds to improve it. Imagine the headlines if CA sunk a couple hundred $mil into a never used emergency spillway last summer.
      Basically, yeah this is often how it goes.

      I came in here thinking I would read about washed away homes and communities with people running and screaming for higher ground, and all I got was some washed away dirt.....Which is a good thing.
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      02-14-2017 09:34 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by RENOG View Post
      Basically, yeah this is often how it goes.
      and whose to say that digging out trees and extracting their stumps then filling it back in would even result on the appropriate landscape for the spillway and wouldn't just get rutted and carved up because the dirt isn't stable from all the digging.
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      02-14-2017 09:54 AM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      Thanks for posting, that was beautiful video. I'm still so amazed at how cameras mounted on quad rotors have totally revolutionized how we are able to collect video quickly and cheaply. 1-2 operators and few thousand dollar quad rotor now does what used to take the dispatch of a 2-3 man crew on a million dollar helicopter.
      It is amazing.



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      02-14-2017 10:21 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      Thanks for posting, that was beautiful video. I'm still so amazed at how cameras mounted on quad rotors have totally revolutionized how we are able to collect video quickly and cheaply. 1-2 operators and few thousand dollar quad rotor now does what used to take the dispatch of a 2-3 man crew on a million dollar helicopter.
      They took the copter pilots jerbs
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      02-14-2017 10:23 AM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      They're just asking for a little return of their outsized funding.
      Yup.

      Also while I'm sure they'd like to recoup some money they'd also love for Trump to ignore it or outright say no. He says no that just furthers the cause.
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      02-14-2017 11:52 AM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
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      02-14-2017 12:42 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      i am hoping for this scenario
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      02-14-2017 12:44 PM #61
      He should send Flynn in to assess the situation... oh wait...

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      02-14-2017 01:28 PM #62
      I was talking to my buddy about this last night. It seems that it's more of a geotechnical engineering issue. The structure for the main spillway is sound, but the ground gave out underneath it, which shouldn't happen. Either the soil wasn't compacted properly at the time, or an earthquake dislodged it. He also thinks they cut corners and/or performed poor maintenance on the emergency spillway. It's an earthen dam, so it's more much susceptible to erosion. The solution, according to him, would have been to pour some fast setting concrete over the top, but that's not possible now, obviously. The emergency spillway has no valves either, so when the water goes over that, well everyone is up a creek of ****.

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      02-14-2017 02:44 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by caliatenza View Post
      I was talking to my buddy about this last night. It seems that it's more of a geotechnical engineering issue. The structure for the main spillway is sound, but the ground gave out underneath it, which shouldn't happen. Either the soil wasn't compacted properly at the time, or an earthquake dislodged it....
      There is no proof of this. There are other theories out there one of which is that cavitation damaged the concrete:

      It is not yet known what caused the damage to the concrete, but one culprit is cavitation, or tiny bubbles of water vapor that can form in high-velocity water, said Blake P. Tullis, a professor of civil engineering at Utah State University. When the bubbles collapse, they create tiny shock waves that are strong enough to damage concrete, he said.


      https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-dam.html?_r=0

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      02-14-2017 03:33 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      There is no proof of this. There are other theories out there
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      02-14-2017 03:44 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by caliatenza View Post
      I was talking to my buddy about this last night. It seems that it's more of a geotechnical engineering issue. The structure for the main spillway is sound, but the ground gave out underneath it, which shouldn't happen. Either the soil wasn't compacted properly at the time, or an earthquake dislodged it. He also thinks they cut corners and/or performed poor maintenance on the emergency spillway. It's an earthen dam, so it's more much susceptible to erosion. The solution, according to him, would have been to pour some fast setting concrete over the top, but that's not possible now, obviously. The emergency spillway has no valves either, so when the water goes over that, well everyone is up a creek of ****.
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      There is no proof of this. There are other theories out there one of which is that cavitation damaged the concrete:

      My guess is that there was a weak and failure-prone area on the leading edge of a concrete expansion joint. The cavitation peeled that area up and then the brOOTAL force of a bajillion gallons of rushing water pounded the rest into submission as it was beaten into chunkier, rougher, and more prone to creating "turbulence" in the passing water.

      I'll be interested in a full narrative report if a thorough investigation can be done.
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      Hopefully they can get some repairs done before they are up....
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      02-14-2017 04:43 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      My guess is that there was a weak and failure-prone area on the leading edge of a concrete expansion joint. The cavitation peeled that area up and then the brOOTAL force of a bajillion gallons of rushing water pounded the rest into submission as it was beaten into chunkier, rougher, and more prone to creating "turbulence" in the passing water.

      I'll be interested in a full narrative report if a thorough investigation can be done.
      Could there be some sort of resonance going on. 50k isn't enough for cavitation over that drop and 150 is enough to squash it from happening, but at 100 it occurs.
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      02-14-2017 04:51 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      My guess is that there was a weak and failure-prone area on the leading edge of a concrete expansion joint. The cavitation peeled that area up and then the brOOTAL force of a bajillion gallons of rushing water pounded the rest into submission...
      Yeah, once the first chunk goes, the end seems inevitable after that.

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      02-14-2017 04:55 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by jnm2.0t View Post
      Could there be some sort of resonance going on. 50k isn't enough for cavitation over that drop and 150 is enough to squash it from happening, but at 100 it occurs.
      Oh I hadn't considered that but I am sure it would have some effect. I'm just an armchair practical engineer that digs ditches and builds roads for a living. From the pictures it looks like the concrete flume is something like 2-3' thick, but then again water like that packs a tremendous punch.
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      02-14-2017 04:59 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by vwtool View Post
      There is no proof of this. There are other theories out there one of which is that cavitation damaged the concrete:
      Yeah he didn't give me any proof, but its a theory of his. Cavitation damage also makes sense.

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      02-14-2017 05:08 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      Oh I hadn't considered that but I am sure it would have some effect. I'm just an armchair practical engineer that digs ditches and builds roads for a living. From the pictures it looks like the concrete flume is something like 2-3' thick, but then again water like that packs a tremendous punch.
      it looks like it's in a place where it'd have built up some turbulence inside the wall of water on the drop. a little water no turbulence. a lot of water it quashes turbulence. medium water and just the right circumstances for the turbulence to build a little downstream from the drop as cavitation starts.
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      02-14-2017 05:37 PM #72
      Just heard in the radio that they have it under control enough to allow the citizens back their homes...

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      02-14-2017 06:02 PM #73
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      02-14-2017 06:03 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris659 View Post
      Just heard in the radio that they have it under control enough to allow the citizens back their homes...
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      02-14-2017 06:07 PM #75
      Isn't 50 years the general lifespan of concrete (before it starts serious deterioration)?
      I have a feeling that many current structures were built in the 50s/60s/70s with the expectancy of being replaced before 2017.
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