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    1. Member Cabin Pics's Avatar
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      02-25-2017 04:07 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by Carson Fiber View Post
      Will it eat the 800 plus HP Challenger Demon on the dragstrip?
      In all honesty, if this thing can connect it would probably be close to a certain point. Those Challengers and Chargers don't connect worth a damn, they'll burn the tires through the first four gears if you get after it. Show vs. Go
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      02-25-2017 05:38 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by CaleDeRoo View Post
      That car is 5-10k under priced so it must not have been that pristine, and generally "some work" done to it lowers the value. 2013's are going for low-high 30's, and Those MSRPed for less than $55K. This car will retain it's value much better than a standard ZL1
      http://m.ebay.com/itm/292034114972?_...20&_mwBanner=1

      You don't have to look to hard to find them in the mid-high 20s

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      02-25-2017 05:54 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by Cabin Pics View Post
      In all honesty, if this thing can connect it would probably be close to a certain point. Those Challengers and Chargers don't connect worth a damn, they'll burn the tires through the first four gears if you get after it. Show vs. Go
      the demon will have custom nittos though and they'll likely be 325mm+. i wouldn't be surprised if it runs 9s.

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      02-25-2017 06:06 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      GT4 will be better for autox, fitting in garages nicely, seeing where you're going while driving anywhere, carrying stuff in the hatch, and retaining value.
      FTFY. You can't see out of a Camaro for crap.

    5. 02-25-2017 06:16 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      http://m.ebay.com/itm/292034114972?_...20&_mwBanner=1

      You don't have to look to hard to find them in the mid-high 20s
      There are 3 ZL1s under 30k across Ebay, Cars.com, Cargurus and Autotrader. None of them are in the mid 20s.

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      02-25-2017 06:18 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by Mixican View Post
      There are 3 ZL1s under 30k across Ebay, Cars.com, Cargurus and Autotrader. None of them are in the mid 20s.
      How many are 60k+ miles with a "pulley upgrade"
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      02-25-2017 06:24 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by fergysan564 View Post
      FTFY. You can't see out of a Camaro for crap.
      That is literally the only reason I didn't buy one 5 years ago and will not consider buying one until they fix it. It's insane.

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      02-25-2017 08:21 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by fergysan564 View Post
      FTFY. You can't see out of a Camaro for crap.
      And yet owners seem to have no problem day to day, everyday....ever.
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      You're a self-serving Japanese car-hating asshat.
      I drive two Japanese cars.

    9. 02-25-2017 08:27 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by DJMRDARK View Post
      And yet owners seem to have no problem day to day, everyday....ever.
      Yup, seems like most people forget that mirrors exist.

    10. 02-25-2017 08:48 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by fergysan564 View Post
      FTFY. You can't see out of a Camaro for crap.
      i had no problems.

      the older one (2014?) ... i'll agree.
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      02-25-2017 10:31 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      GT4 will be better for autox, fitting in garages nicely, seeing where you're going while backing out of places, carrying stuff in the hatch, and retaining value.
      In other words, not better.
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      02-26-2017 01:16 AM #62
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      GT4 will be better for autox
      I'm pretty confident the massive torque and 305/325 tires on the Camaro would help it out autocross just about anything at all. I guess it's been years now since I've spent much time following stock class cars, but this ZL1 1LE is an incredibly capable package with huge everything as far as performance is concerned.

      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      fitting in garages nicely, seeing where you're going while backing out of places, carrying stuff in the hatch, and retaining value.
      The Camaro is no bigger than a family sedan, so it will fit in garages fine. For backing out, it has a reverse camera. The one I rented came in handy since yeah, rear visibility isn't fantastic, but with the camera it's good enough. I'm pretty sure the Camaro has a bigger trunk than the Cayman plus the back seat. Oh yeah, the back seat! So it will carry twice as many people too. As for value, yeah that's a plus and minus IMO. Special edition Porsches do often retain value well but the Cayman GT4 still isn't a 911. It's looking expensive currently but it's not clear if that will stay or if it will end up like the Boxster/Cayman S where after a couple years they depreciate off a cliff for people that actually drive and track their cars.

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      02-26-2017 02:29 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      I'm pretty confident the massive torque and 305/325 tires on the Camaro would help it out autocross just about anything at all. I guess it's been years now since I've spent much time following stock class cars, but this ZL1 1LE is an incredibly capable package with huge everything as far as performance is concerned.



      The Camaro is no bigger than a family sedan, so it will fit in garages fine. For backing out, it has a reverse camera. The one I rented came in handy since yeah, rear visibility isn't fantastic, but with the camera it's good enough. I'm pretty sure the Camaro has a bigger trunk than the Cayman plus the back seat. Oh yeah, the back seat! So it will carry twice as many people too. As for value, yeah that's a plus and minus IMO. Special edition Porsches do often retain value well but the Cayman GT4 still isn't a 911. It's looking expensive currently but it's not clear if that will stay or if it will end up like the Boxster/Cayman S where after a couple years they depreciate off a cliff for people that actually drive and track their cars.
      Cayman gt4 will still be commanding great money 5 years from now.

    14. 02-26-2017 03:09 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by chipstaagram View Post
      Indeed. At this point what more can possibly be gained from an FR setup (at least in terms of track times). Without going to the hybrid side of the coin; what more can they wring from the Corvette as an FR?

      Take a look at the Ferrari 812 Or the F12 TDF and you see how far a really well made FR setup can go. Who ever thought we'd see a near 800hp NA FR Ferrari with no hybrid assist?

    15. 02-26-2017 04:22 AM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post
      Take a look at the Ferrari 812 Or the F12 TDF and you see how far a really well made FR setup can go. Who ever thought we'd see a near 800hp NA FR Ferrari with no hybrid assist?
      They've proven they can make power, not that they can actually put a lap down. A SS 1LE will outlap a F12 at Laguna Seca, I doubt a TDF will touch this.

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      02-26-2017 08:40 AM #66
      I find it funny how every time the Camaro is mentioned, so is visibility because owning a NC Miata and having driven the Camaro multiple times I think the visibility is pretty good. Either the people saying that have no actual experience and just regurgitate what they read or they're comparing visibility to a minivan.

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      02-26-2017 09:10 AM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by DJMRDARK View Post
      And yet owners seem to have no problem day to day, everyday....ever.
      Having no problem =/= comfortable.
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      02-26-2017 10:14 AM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by HI SPEED View Post
      Cayman gt4 will still be commanding great money 5 years from now.
      So guess which one will be more popular with enthusiasts and people that actually drive their cars 5 years from now on the used car market? Hint: the faster one.

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      02-26-2017 10:48 AM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Calcvictim View Post
      I find it funny how every time the Camaro is mentioned, so is visibility because owning a NC Miata and having driven the Camaro multiple times I think the visibility is pretty good. Either the people saying that have no actual experience and just regurgitate what they read or they're comparing visibility to a minivan.
      I'm comparing to the ATS coupe... which is the same damn car but with human sized windows.

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      02-26-2017 01:15 PM #70
      I drive a '17 Camaro SS...visibility isn't that bad. the only point that gets sketchy is tight turning areas with high medians. They disappear from view quick so it's hard to guess where they are. So that can be a little nerve wracking. However, it comes down to this.

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      I shall continue carrying the torch for old school muscle while you lay down for the new deities like Automaticus (the god of clutchless ahifting), and Suspensionum (the patron saint of neutral handling).

    21. 02-26-2017 02:17 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by Mixican View Post
      They've proven they can make power, not that they can actually put a lap down. A SS 1LE will outlap a F12 at Laguna Seca, I doubt a TDF will touch this.
      Laguna Seca isn't a track where extra power would be put to good use... it's not long enough. Take a look at Nurburgring records and I count 9 FR cars that are as much as 20 seconds faster. The LFA is probably the best example as it makes less power and is 15 seconds faster.

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      02-26-2017 02:26 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by infinitespecter View Post
      Laguna Seca isn't a track where extra power would be put to good use... it's not long enough. Take a look at Nurburgring records and I count 9 FR cars that are as much as 20 seconds faster. The LFA is probably the best example as it makes less power and is 15 seconds faster.
      As if the 'Ring with different drivers, timing equipment, and traffic is a better comparison.
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      02-26-2017 03:26 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by troyguitar View Post
      I'm comparing to the ATS coupe... which is the same damn car but with human sized windows.
      Have you driven the Camaro, do you use the read-side window on the ATS when switching lanes? The Camaro windows is smaller but I don't really understand how it's not usable.

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      02-26-2017 05:33 PM #75
      So no A10? Interesting.

      The car looks amazing .

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