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    3. 04-21-2017 05:32 PM #103
      In addition to the ZR1 the ZL1 1LE is at the ring this week


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      04-21-2017 05:41 PM #104
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      04-22-2017 11:09 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by Mixican View Post
      In addition to the ZR1 the ZL1 1LE is at the ring this week

      So now folks are going to like it cause they have an Evo X looking grill.


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      04-22-2017 11:51 AM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by -=golF1.8t=- View Post
      So now folks are going to like it cause they have an Evo X looking grill.


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      04-22-2017 02:21 PM #107
      Wonder how much the 1Le package will cost on the Zl1

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      05-17-2017 11:41 AM #108
      Pricing!

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      DETROIT — The ZL1 1LE — the ultimate Camaro track-day model — leads the 2018 Camaro lineup, taking the track-focused 1LE legacy to an unprecedented level. With racing-based suspension and aero technologies, as well as Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R summer-only tires,* the ZL1 1LE represents the most extreme track-focused Camaro to date.

      The new ZL1 1LE Extreme Track Performance Package (order code A1Z) will cost $7,500, bringing MSRP of the 2018 ZL1 1LE to $69,995, which includes the $995 destination freight charge.

      “In the long, storied history of Camaro performance, there’s never been another model that matches the capability of the ZL1 1LE,” said Steve Majoros, Chevrolet cars and crossovers marketing director. “With the addition of the new 650-horsepower ZL1 1LE, the Camaro lineup is more diverse and exciting than ever, offering customers the ability to select and personalize their ultimate performance car.”

      Additional ZL1 1LE highlights include:

      Downforce-producing aero: Unique features include a carbon fiber rear wing, specific air deflectors and dive planes on the front fascia that produce grip-generating downforce to help the car stick harder and drive faster in turns.
      Adjustable suspension: Racing-derived, lightweight Multimatic DSSV® (Dynamic Suspension Spool Valve) dampers front and rear offer exceptional wheel and vehicle control. The front-end ride height is adjustable, along with the caster geometry. The rear stabilizer bar also offers three-way adjustability.
      Wheels and tires: New, specific lightweight forged aluminum wheels are an inch wider but an inch smaller in diameter, front and rear, than standard ZL1 wheels and are used with new Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar 3R tires that deliver max lateral grip of 1.10g. The overall footprint grows approximately 10 percent over the ZL1, but the wheel-and-tire package weighs about 3.3 pounds (1.5 kg) less per corner.
      Lighter weight: The lighter wheels and dampers, along with thinner rear glass and a fixed-back rear seat, contribute to an approximately 60-pound (27 kg) lower curb weight than a standard ZL1 Coupe.
      Supercharged performance and more: The power behind the ZL1 1LE is the 650-horsepower, supercharged LT4 engine backed by a six-speed manual transmission featuring Active Rev Match. Brembo brakes are also included, along with dual-zone automatic climate control, Bose premium audio system, heated/ventilated front seats and heated steering wheel.
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      05-17-2017 12:08 PM #109
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      Pricing!
      So... where does this put the Corvette Grand Sport, which starts at $66,445 for the standard GS and $74,500 with the Z07 Performance Pack? The 'vette is lighter, but down 200 horsepower to the Camaro ZL1 1LE. I'm fine with Chevy offering both, but the ZL1 1LE and GS Z07 seem awfully close in both price and performance. I guess maybe at that point it just comes down to personal preference for the styling and image of each. It's not like you can use more than about 20% of their capability on public roads anyway.

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      05-17-2017 12:42 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      So... where does this put the Corvette Grand Sport, which starts at $66,445 for the standard GS and $74,500 with the Z07 Performance Pack? The 'vette is lighter, but down 200 horsepower to the Camaro ZL1 1LE. I'm fine with Chevy offering both, but the ZL1 1LE and GS Z07 seem awfully close in both price and performance. I guess maybe at that point it just comes down to personal preference for the styling and image of each. It's not like you can use more than about 20% of their capability on public roads anyway.
      Who cares? It's FANTASTIC that one of the lowliest of US brands has TWO world-beating sports cars! It's great that no one at Chevy or GM is hindering either group in their development. I just recently watched the MT Ignition episode on the regular ZL1 and Randy said it was easier to drive than the 'vette Z06 (same engine). I like Chevys and I like Corvettes, so for me, I'd still get a C7 GS for my $70k.

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      05-17-2017 01:14 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by AZGolf View Post
      So... where does this put the Corvette Grand Sport, which starts at $66,445 for the standard GS and $74,500 with the Z07 Performance Pack? The 'vette is lighter, but down 200 horsepower to the Camaro ZL1 1LE. I'm fine with Chevy offering both, but the ZL1 1LE and GS Z07 seem awfully close in both price and performance. I guess maybe at that point it just comes down to personal preference for the styling and image of each. It's not like you can use more than about 20% of their capability on public roads anyway.


      The base ZL1 (6M) ran a 1:26.15 that edged out the GS at 1:26.28 @ willow springs, but I'm not sure if the GS had the Z07 package or not. The ZL1 1LE has to be faster than that, and it could even be knocking on the door of the GT-R Nismo @ 1:25.70 which is a pretty wild thought.

      Though I'm in agreement, my 70k would most likely have me in a GS Z07 over a ZL1 1LE, but the decision wouldn't be easy.
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    12. 05-17-2017 01:47 PM #112
      over 5 grand cheaper than the Z/28

      Im wondering if there will be a Z/28
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      over 5 grand cheaper than the Z/28

      Im wondering if there will be a Z/28
      I'm not sure if there will be one. This is what we thought was the Z/28 when spy photos were circulating.
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      I'm really, really thinking about trading in both of my cars for this and just praying to God during the winter.

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      05-18-2017 12:05 AM #115
      Quote Originally Posted by H.E. Pennypacker View Post


      The base ZL1 (6M) ran a 1:26.15 that edged out the GS at 1:26.28 @ willow springs, but I'm not sure if the GS had the Z07 package or not. The ZL1 1LE has to be faster than that, and it could even be knocking on the door of the GT-R Nismo @ 1:25.70 which is a pretty wild thought.

      Though I'm in agreement, my 70k would most likely have me in a GS Z07 over a ZL1 1LE, but the decision wouldn't be easy.


      Randy actually ran a 1:25.87 with the auto later on, but that time was recorded with the performance data recorder and not the VBOX so it wasn't published, but it's safe to say the 1LE will at least be in the low 1:25s if not the 1:24s
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      05-18-2017 12:46 AM #116
      Quote Originally Posted by CaleDeRoo View Post
      Randy actually ran a 1:25.87 with the auto later on, but that time was recorded with the performance data recorder and not the VBOX so it wasn't published, but it's safe to say the 1LE will at least be in the low 1:25s if not the 1:24s
      Oh waw! Yeah it's going to be a pretty ri god damn diculous time that's for certain.
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      05-18-2017 10:42 AM #117
      The more I'm thinking and looking into it I'm not sure how valuable the 10K 1LE option is.

      Sweet spot might just be the ZL1 "base" with automatic as a DD.

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      05-18-2017 10:54 AM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by Spray` View Post
      The more I'm thinking and looking into it I'm not sure how valuable the 10K 1LE option is.

      Sweet spot might just be the ZL1 "base" with automatic as a DD.
      It's $7500
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    19. 05-18-2017 01:39 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      It's $7500
      Yes but with deals on the ZL1 now its closer, maybe even over 10k difference.

      I know my supplier discount is around 3500 off on a ZL1
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    20. 05-18-2017 04:11 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by Spray` View Post
      The more I'm thinking and looking into it I'm not sure how valuable the 10K 1LE option is.

      Sweet spot might just be the ZL1 "base" with automatic as a DD.
      If your intentions are to daily it then yeah you aren't going to get much out of it but a sore butt and a lighter wallet lol.

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      05-18-2017 05:17 PM #121
      About $58k with the GM Employee discount. That is a lot of car for that kind of money. My 2LT Z51 Corvette was about the same after discount, and I would have to say between the two, I'd take this one probably 8/10 times.

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      05-18-2017 05:26 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by IgorRGTI View Post
      About $58k with the GM Employee discount. That is a lot of car for that kind of money. My 2LT Z51 Corvette was about the same after discount, and I would have to say between the two, I'd take this one probably 8/10 times.
      $58k with the 1LE package? if so, that has the be the best $/performance car in the world.

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      05-18-2017 05:28 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by MaX PL View Post
      $58k with the 1LE package? if so, that has the be the best $/performance car in the world.
      No, just the base ZL1 with the manual transmission.

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      05-18-2017 05:59 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      I'm not sure if there will be one. This is what we thought was the Z/28 when spy photos were circulating.
      I don't think they'll be a Z/28 for this gen, BUT let's compare G5 Camaros & C6 Vettes with G6 Camaros and C7 Vettes

      G5 SS & C6 Base/GS = LS3 --> G6 SS & C7 Base /GS = LT1 Motor choice stayed the same across gen's for these trim levels.

      G5 ZL1 & C6 ZR-1 = LSx/LS9 (Supercharged) -->G6 ZL1 & C7 Z06 = LT4 (supercharged) Motor changed trims in the Vette relative to the Camaro

      G5 Z/28 & C6 Z06 = LS7 (large displacement NA) --> G6 Z/28 & C7 ZR-1 = ??? These are the only ones left that we don't know about.

      So, could there still be room for an even crazier Z/28 if it takes a page from the C7 ZR-1?

    25. 05-18-2017 06:25 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by 2 doors View Post
      I don't think they'll be a Z/28 for this gen, BUT let's compare G5 Camaros & C6 Vettes with G6 Camaros and C7 Vettes

      G5 SS & C6 Base/GS = LS3 --> G6 SS & C7 Base /GS = LT1 Motor choice stayed the same across gen's for these trim levels.

      G5 ZL1 & C6 ZR-1 = LSx/LS9 (Supercharged) -->G6 ZL1 & C7 Z06 = LT4 (supercharged) Motor changed trims in the Vette relative to the Camaro

      G5 Z/28 & C6 Z06 = LS7 (large displacement NA) --> G6 Z/28 & C7 ZR-1 = ??? These are the only ones left that we don't know about.

      So, could there still be room for an even crazier Z/28 if it takes a page from the C7 ZR-1?
      The Camaro guys are adamant about the Z/28 being naturally aspirated so I think the ZR1's engine with the bigger blower is out of the question. The ZL1 1LE's capablility and pricing makes positioning very tough in the line up. Even if they were able to find an engine where can they put it?

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