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      04-17-2017 03:40 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Chrysler Capital will 100% sure have records of me. I just got into a huge battle with them a couple of months ago because they erroneously reported a late payment on Renegade lease, AFTER the lawsuit had already been settled. It almost cost me a real estate investment that I was getting into. They ended up sending reversal letters to the various credit reporting agencies on my behalf, and it basically took another 6 weeks for my credit to return to normal.

      I really just hate FCA. The more I talk about this, the more the anger resurfacing.
      I would not even test drive the Charger, to be honest. Even if the car turns out to be great, I wouldn't want to be associated with a company that has screwed you over so. Hell, I have nothing to do with FCA and I don't even want to be involved.
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      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I don't trust the judgment of anyone who likes black wheels.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      04-17-2017 03:46 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      Removing the wing from an STI immediately alleviates the boy racer image. Why not buy a car you like if that's all it takes?
      1. Because I'd be leaving OEM performance on the table and I don't like doing that.
      2. Does it really? They still sound and look pretty racy. Like you said, a Q50 seems to fit this situation much better if OP is concerned about optics with his clients.

      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      I would not even test drive the Charger, to be honest. Even if the car turns out to be great, I wouldn't want to be associated with a company that has screwed you over so. Hell, I have nothing to do with FCA and I don't even want to be involved.
      This x1000!

      OP, I'm saying this as someone who really likes you--I think you are the perfect candidate for hiring a car broker.
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      Dude, you know you're like the opposite of a purist, right?

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      04-17-2017 03:53 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      1. Because I'd be leaving OEM performance on the table and I don't like doing that.
      2. Does it really? They still sound and look pretty racy. Like you said, a Q50 seems to fit this situation much better if OP is concerned about optics with his clients.
      1. I get your argument, but if someone buys a GTI or a WRX instead of the R/STI, then they are leaving OEM performance on the table too technically. Or if you don't option summer tires on a car that comes with all-seasons because you want your tires to last longer. In a way, leaving the wing off is a compromise that some people have to make, and that is ok. It doesn't detract from the greatness of the car much, so what the heck.

      2. This does not look very racy. I mean, it does to us because of hella wheels yo and hella quad pipes yo, but to John Doe, it looks like a sedan. And there are Audis and BMWs that are louder than it that also do not come across as racy. The Q50 would be a better option if he was only concerned about optics with his clients, but if that was his only concern, then he would buy a beige BMW like everyone else and their mother and be done with it. Schnell also cares about what he drives.

      Quote Originally Posted by Sonderwunsch View Post
      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      04-17-2017 04:02 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post



      This does not look very racy. I mean, it does to us because of hella wheels yo and hella quad pipes yo, but to John Doe, it looks like a sedan.
      I've never understood how anyone can think this is a good looking car, this car is absolutely atrocious looking, and this is the worst angle. Look in front of the front wheel from here, yuuuuuck.

      BTW, didn't I just say this was a ho hum looking car to the average person and you pulled out a Lambo card saying the average person was going to recognize this as something other than a ho hum sedan, and now you're saying it just looks like a boring sedan to the average person? Hmmm.
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      04-17-2017 04:02 PM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      I've never understood how anyone can think this is a good looking car, this car is absolutely atrocious looking, and this is the worst angle. Look in front of the front wheel from here, yuuuuuck.
      It looks better in person and in WRB. It also drives far better than it looks.
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      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I don't trust the judgment of anyone who likes black wheels.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      04-17-2017 04:06 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      It looks better in person and in WRB. It also drives far better than it looks.
      No, it's...pretty ugly in person too.

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      04-17-2017 04:14 PM #107
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      1. Because I'd be leaving OEM performance on the table and I don't like doing that.
      2. Does it really? They still sound and look pretty racy. Like you said, a Q50 seems to fit this situation much better if OP is concerned about optics with his clients.



      This x1000!

      OP, I'm saying this as someone who really likes you--I think you are the perfect candidate for hiring a car broker.


      Part of the fun for me is the chase :-). No car broker for me!

      And I my goal with "optics" isn't too impress people, it's simply not to look like someone you wouldn't trust with your personal matters. A bright WRX STI with a huge Spoiler crosses that line for some people, at least in my mind. But I think the car is fine without the wing.

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      04-17-2017 04:15 PM #108
      I am always entertained by the chargebacks and lawsuits -- but, for your sanity, why not get something like a Lexus GS 350 this time? Dealer experience and reliability should both be stellar.
      Improving the signal-to-noise ratio

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      04-17-2017 04:15 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      No, it's...pretty ugly in person too.
      That's like your opinion.

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      04-17-2017 04:20 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      The only issue is that I commute a total of about 10k miles per year, and Las Vegas roads are generally brand new and smooth as glass (no snow/salt/potholes in the desert!). Also, stiff suspension doesn't bother me.
      I commute 50 miles a day in mine. That's ~12k miles a year just driving too/from work.

      I love it. But I also understand why it's not everyone's cup of tea.

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      04-17-2017 04:22 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      I am always entertained by the chargebacks and lawsuits -- but, for your sanity, why not get something like a Lexus GS 350 this time? Dealer experience and reliability should both be stellar.
      This is actually a really solid idea.

      Quote Originally Posted by Perceptive Bunny View Post
      That's just the camera angle playing favors with the lines of the body. Plus the colour. Just needs a lil' lipu.


      That pic doesn't do it any favors over the white one...still has terrible lines that don't flow at all. That blue is also insanely played out after 15 years.

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      04-17-2017 04:24 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      The best option if I decide to go with a Charger might be to just get financing from my bank and pay cash at the dealer.
      Huh? Your financing institution would just be cutting the dealer a check.

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      04-17-2017 04:25 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by Hostile View Post
      Huh? Your financing institution would just be cutting the dealer a check.
      It depends on the institution. But regardless, if I buy an FCA product, I will likely bypass Chrysler Capital.

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      04-17-2017 04:26 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      I would not even test drive the Charger, to be honest. Even if the car turns out to be great, I wouldn't want to be associated with a company that has screwed you over so. Hell, I have nothing to do with FCA and I don't even want to be involved.
      Eh, Just make the most of it.

      1.) Eat big mexican lunch
      2.) Test drive Charger
      3.) FART IT UP

      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post


      And I my goal with "optics" isn't too impress people, it's simply not to look like someone you wouldn't trust with your personal matters. A bright WRX STI with a huge Spoiler crosses that line for some people, at least in my mind. But I think the car is fine without the wing.
      Didn't stop Ernesto:


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      04-17-2017 04:27 PM #115
      I kind of like the way the WRX/STI look.

      They are not, by any means, "beautiful" cars by any means.

      But they look like rally cars. And that's what they are.


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      04-17-2017 04:27 PM #116
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      Didn't stop Ernesto:



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      04-17-2017 04:30 PM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post


      Part of the fun for me is the chase :-). No car broker for me!

      And I my goal with "optics" isn't too impress people, it's simply not to look like someone you wouldn't trust with your personal matters. A bright WRX STI with a huge Spoiler crosses that line for some people, at least in my mind. But I think the car is fine without the wing.
      I hear you on that. When I was consulting in our dealer group, that decision swayed me into an SS and not the stupid cheap employee lease deal on the Z06. When paying me came directly out of somebodies pocket, I thought pulling up in a Z06 would have sent the wrong message, even if they knew how cheap the lease was.
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      Brendan told me to get the best discount, I had to send dick pics. I thought this was standard car buying practice.
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      04-17-2017 04:30 PM #118
      Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Deforce View Post
      It looks better in person and in WRB. It also drives far better than it looks.
      I've never understood why some men prefer obese women but I don't deny that beauty is absolutely totally subjective.

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      04-17-2017 04:31 PM #119
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post


      Part of the fun for me is the chase :-). No car broker for me!

      And I my goal with "optics" isn't too impress people, it's simply not to look like someone you wouldn't trust with your personal matters. A bright WRX STI with a huge Spoiler crosses that line for some people, at least in my mind. But I think the car is fine without the wing.
      There's a downside to just having a car that looks like a regular economy car as well, though.

      I wouldn't want to show up in a base Impreza any more than a WRB STI with the king wing.

      If you just want to look reliable and upwardly mobile, then the single best answer is to show up in the family car with the baby seat. Not splitting hairs about when your super-sport compact starts to actually look like one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by jamerican1
      Dude, you know you're like the opposite of a purist, right?

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      04-17-2017 04:35 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      No, it's...pretty ugly in person too.
      Quote Originally Posted by puma1552 View Post
      That pic doesn't do it any favors over the white one...still has terrible lines that don't flow at all. That blue is also insanely played out after 15 years.
      Lol.
      Quote Originally Posted by zmt2 View Post
      Eh, Just make the most of it.

      1.) Eat big mexican lunch
      2.) Test drive Charger
      3.) FART IT UP



      Didn't stop Ernesto:

      I laughed harder at this than I thought I would.
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      People have been complaining about modern BMWs lacking steering feel so they are adding torque steer.
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      I find it ironic that long time Euro brand fans would assume long term reliability issues would destroy any love of a unique product.

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      04-17-2017 04:50 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by Perceptive Bunny View Post
      You subjected the front flare and missed the flow along with the rear body flare. Sti Blue and other darker colors bring that out-- not sure why I'm even using the word "flow" in regards to a rally car, but ok.
      flair??




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      04-17-2017 04:55 PM #122
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      Lol.


      I laughed harder at this than I thought I would.


      +1
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      04-17-2017 04:56 PM #123
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      I am open to suggestions. Basically, my budget is $40k or so. Needs to be 4-door. Needs to be fast. Manual/DSG only.

      I see you will soon end up driving the same car as me.





      Although if you end up going Subaru I think you'll find the 718 to be quite nice too.
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      04-17-2017 05:00 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      If I go with an STI, I will be getting the lip spoiler option. The car looks better, and I can drive to a client's house in it without looking like a tool. At 125+MPH, however, which I will probably never reach, it will make a tad less downforce.
      Knowing where you work and what kind of work you do, I have to ask whether you'll realistically be going to clients' houses often enough for it to be a factor in the decision of what car to buy.

      Having worked with comparably wealthy people, I sincerely doubt more than ~5% of them could tell a WRX from a Wartburg, and even if they could, 95% of that 5% wouldn't have an opinion one way or the other. Those who have an opinion would probably mumble the same "damn kids and their flashy cars" sentiment for anything that isn't a luxury sedan in some unoffensive non-color.
      Now this was a superior machine. Ten grand worth of gimmicks and high-priced special effects. The rear windows lit up with a touch like frogs in a dynamite pond. The dashboard was full of esoteric lights and dials and meters that I would never understand.

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      04-17-2017 05:05 PM #125
      Quote Originally Posted by Hawk View Post
      Although if you end up going Subaru I think you'll find the 718 to be quite nice too.
      I will kill you. I thought we agreed that the next 718/subaru compare would result in an insta-ban, ever since you dragged all of the original 718 threads through the mud and dog**** with your incessant rambling.

      Welcome to the thread, hawc.

      And an S3 is much more likely for me than the Golf R. But we'll see.

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