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      05-15-2017 05:29 PM #1
      This is a '15 hatch - not sure if the hatchback got the same chassis upgrades the '17 sedan got that allow it to do much better on the small overlap test.

      Start these both at the same time:




      For comparison/upgrades

      Last edited by adrew; 05-15-2017 at 05:34 PM.
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      05-15-2017 05:36 PM #2
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


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      05-15-2017 05:40 PM #3
      It's also an Australian-spec Corolla (aka Auris, aka our Corolla iM)
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      05-15-2017 05:42 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Ryukein View Post
      It's also an Australian-spec Corolla (aka Auris, aka our Corolla iM)
      (Right - I said Corolla hatch) I was inferring that the sedan would have probably done better.

      AFAIK the hatches are all made in Japan and the airbag complement looks the same so it would probably be a similar result.

      Here is one with more info - man, that old Corolla hatch is in great shape! (before)
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      05-15-2017 07:29 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Abe Froman View Post
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


      They tell themselves that old airbag probably won't work anyways. At least that's what I've heard them say, but I've never white knuckled a Nardi Personal at 24 stoplights in a single day.
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      05-15-2017 07:50 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by Abe Froman View Post
      From the viewpoint of the '98 Corolla


      Kinda makes me shudder when I think of all the guys with 90s cars who remove the "big ugly airbag" just for the sake of looks


      Quote Originally Posted by patrikman View Post
      They tell themselves that old airbag probably won't work anyways.
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.

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      05-15-2017 08:09 PM #7
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      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
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      05-15-2017 08:21 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
      Agreed, that would've resulted in either death or extreme injury, with or without an airbag. I'm still surprised that a car built in 1998 doesn't have an airbag though.

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      05-15-2017 08:32 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by bagged_hag View Post
      Agreed, that would've resulted in either death or extreme injury, with or without an airbag. I'm still surprised that a car built in 1998 doesn't have an airbag though.
      That was from Australia, so airbags presumably were not universal in new cars there in 1998.

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      05-15-2017 10:51 PM #10
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      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
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      05-16-2017 01:25 AM #11
      Might be a stupid question but did Toyota make a new 98 Corolla just for this test? Or do they buy a lightly used one from a third party?
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      05-19-2017 01:38 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Senior Member View Post
      Considering how far back the steering column went, if this car had an airbag it would've killed the driver.
      Why doesn't this car have an airbag? My 96 Saturn has driver and passenger, wasn't it the law by then?
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      05-19-2017 02:31 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by G60 Carat View Post
      Why doesn't this car have an airbag? My 96 Saturn has driver and passenger, wasn't it the law by then?
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      05-15-2017 08:07 PM #14
      Where did they find such a pristine 98 Corolla?! Looks like old forgotten new stock.

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      05-15-2017 09:14 PM #15
      Ouch. And I considered most 90's cars to be reasonably safe at these types of tests. Maybe it's time to buy a my modern beater for work.


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      05-15-2017 10:47 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by candy11 View Post
      Ouch. And I considered most 90's cars to be reasonably safe at these types of tests. Maybe it's time to buy a my modern beater for work.


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      I think car safety has increased exponentially since then...(I could be wrong). Not even counting driver aids like adaptive cruise, auto braking, etc. Just major improvements in stability and structure.

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      05-17-2017 11:28 AM #17
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.

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      05-17-2017 11:54 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.
      Right - I'm aware (not being snarky). The small overlap is a much tougher test than the moderate overlap so I was saying that the strengthened '17 Corolla would probably do even better than the '15 vs. the '98 in this test. IIHS has a few recent moderate overlap videos but don't seem to post many these days since it seems like pretty much everything aces it.
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      05-18-2017 12:53 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by adrew View Post
      IIHS has a few recent moderate overlap videos but don't seem to post many these days since it seems like pretty much everything aces it.
      IIHS has moved to crash test verification on cars where the previous version received a good rating in a particular test. IIHS engineers check automakers in house test results, and every so often run their own identical test to check for accuracy. http://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/rat...o/verification

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      05-17-2017 12:29 PM #21
      How long before somebody posts the VW type 2 full of concrete into wall crash test?
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      05-18-2017 01:26 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Unilateral Phase Detractor View Post
      One correction adrew: The IIHS test of the '13 and '17 Corolla is a 25% small overlap, whereas the ANCAP test is a 40% moderate overlap. Still a devastating result for the '98 car though, while I bet the new model's driver could walk away.
      The MY 98, 99, and 17 are all different generation of corolla's, but videos like this is a good reason for people to upgrade their beater daily drivers to something more modern if they have the financial means to do so.

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      05-18-2017 02:54 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by green tea View Post
      videos like this is a good reason for people to upgrade their beater daily drivers to something more modern if they have the financial means to do so.


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      05-18-2017 03:24 PM #24
      Since HackAC is posting off topic crash videos-


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      05-18-2017 06:40 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Since HackAC is posting off topic crash videos- (Polo v. Phaeton video)
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