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      05-17-2017 11:20 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Holy crap!

      Can you fit that engine with carburetors?
      You can fit carburetors to anything, just need some good glue. Wallet, carburetor. Pencil? Carburetor. No requirement that it has to do anything.

      Probably should have been more specific, physical routing of the wires isn't explained so if he wants to check for damage, he will have to trace them manually. Best to start from the gateway.

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      05-17-2017 12:26 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Audi_Mechanic View Post
      You can fit carburetors to anything, just need some good glue. Wallet, carburetor. Pencil? Carburetor. No requirement that it has to do anything.
      Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.


      Quote Originally Posted by Audi_Mechanic View Post
      Probably should have been more specific, physical routing of the wires isn't explained so if he wants to check for damage, he will have to trace them manually. Best to start from the gateway.
      That doesn't sound too tough to do from my armchair, but I'd imagine there are plenty of places in that run alone that would be a real bear to inspect properly.





      It's this kind of thing that makes me like my 1 page wiring diagram. In color.
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      05-17-2017 01:48 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      It's this kind of thing that makes me like my 1 page wiring diagram.



      I'm just glad it is a fault in her car.


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      05-17-2017 01:57 PM #29
      CCM under the seat get wet maybe?
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      05-17-2017 01:58 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      I'm just glad it is a fault in her car.

      *exceedingly complex Phaeton wiring illustration*


      Yeah, that's a bit more complicated than mine. I should post the '59 version (I have a '59 project too), as that makes this one look complex!

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      05-17-2017 02:20 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      *exceedingly complex Phaeton wiring illustration*

      Oh, you think that pic is bad?

      #1- that is not the wiring diagram, that picture is simple in comparison to the wiring. I'd post it but I don't want this thread to get off topic of my attempts to fix wife's car.

      #2- I don't believe that picture is even inclusive of all the electrical parts and control modules that pile on with additional car options- such as a 4-seater. Rear seats recline, massage, heated, cooled, etc. Oh yea- the refrigerator has a control, solar sunroof has controls, .. you get the point.

      Still I am laughing that the picture lists 11,136 electrical parts.

      My first car was a '73 bug. You could fix that car with anything. One time I had a throttle cable snap at the carb on a roadtrip. Cruising down the freeway the car just started to slow down- I coasted to the shoulder and once stopped I realized the engine was still running. Popped the lid- saw the frayed end- luckily I had some stuff from my car stereo days with me. I crimped a O terminal connector onto the cable and wedged a Bic pen cap through it and the carb and adjusted the slack out. Problem solved. Not only did I continue the several hundred mile trip to and from my destination- I never changed it for the rest of the years I owned the car. In fact- on the way home from that trip suddenly the car wouldn't shift right- I pulled into a gas station and figured out the wire under the shifter boot (autostick) had broken. Spliced it back together and away I went.


      I wish I could get a solid built car, nice interior, big engine- but simple in construction. It IS possible.
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      05-17-2017 04:57 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      CCM under the seat get wet maybe?
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      05-17-2017 05:16 PM #33
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      05-17-2017 10:01 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by 16volt View Post
      CCM under the seat get wet maybe?


      If there is one under there- the only way it would get wet is if one of the water bottles my wife throws behind the seat broke open and magically sprayed upwards.
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      05-18-2017 10:04 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      If there is one under there- the only way it would get wet is if one of the water bottles my wife throws behind the seat broke open and magically sprayed upwards.


      Couldn't remember if there was one there. I have seen some TTs have issues with leaking convertible tops (not sure if yours was a hardtop) and weird issues with moisture.
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      05-18-2017 06:27 PM #36
      Gotta love vw. The most prevalent error code that I could see, seem to be the steering angle sensor. I pulled the fuse for the steering column, ran a scan clear the codes put the fuse back in and voila.

      The car started runs drives without a single error code. Appears to have just been some strange glitch.

      Naturally will keep an eye on it but for now oddly enough it seems to be absolutely, 100%, perfectly fine!
      Last edited by PowerDubs; 05-18-2017 at 06:31 PM.
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      05-18-2017 06:41 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Gotta love vw. The most prevalent error code that I could see, seem to be the steering angle sensor. I pulled the fuse for the steering column, ran a scan clear the codes put the fuse back in and voila.

      The car started runs drives without a single error code. Appears to have just been some strange glitch.

      Naturally will keep an eye on it but for now oddly enough it seems to be absolutely, 100%, perfectly fine!
      My MKIV R32 would occasionally go into limp mode if I got it sideways. It was always a bit nerve-wracking, but I guess that was the Universe's way of telling me not to drive like an adolescent. :p
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      05-18-2017 07:15 PM #38
      That is called ESP, or ASR- hit a button on the dash and you can drive all the 12 y/o you want-

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      05-18-2017 07:42 PM #39
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Gotta love vw. The most prevalent error code that I could see, seem to be the steering angle sensor. I pulled the fuse for the steering column, ran a scan clear the codes put the fuse back in and voila.

      The car started runs drives without a single error code. Appears to have just been some strange glitch.

      Naturally will keep an eye on it but for now oddly enough it seems to be absolutely, 100%, perfectly fine!
      Oy. What the?
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      05-18-2017 07:45 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      That is called ESP, or ASR- hit a button on the dash and you can drive all the 12 y/o you want-
      I know what ESP is, and it wasn't that. It would go into actual limp mode and light up the dash like Christmas. Only did it a handful of times, but it was spooky nonetheless.
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      05-18-2017 10:22 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Oy. What the?
      All the modules are networked and relay messages to modules that are downstream, so a communications fault in one cascades through that branch of the system. It's a characteristic common to all cars that use CAN-BUS.

      As to why the steering angle sensor borked, could be a dozen things hardware or software. Fortunately a hard reset did the trick!
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      05-18-2017 11:00 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Gotta love vw. The most prevalent error code that I could see, seem to be the steering angle sensor. I pulled the fuse for the steering column, ran a scan clear the codes put the fuse back in and voila.

      The car started runs drives without a single error code. Appears to have just been some strange glitch.

      Naturally will keep an eye on it but for now oddly enough it seems to be absolutely, 100%, perfectly fine!
      I didn't think much of the steering angle sensor dtc since you said you replaced the battery. Cutting power from the car automatically gets a dtc set for steering angle sensor that usually isn't eraseable until you drive the car a short distance with the steering straight to reset the sensor. Your climate control module also stored dtc: 01206 - Signal for Duration of Ignition Off Time; this dtc sometimes gets set when the car loses power, like a battery disconnect. Pulling a fuse might have been a coincidence, or it cut power to the right control module that reset the powertrain network. Glad you got it working, hopefully the glitch in the matrix was an isolated event.

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      05-18-2017 11:13 PM #43
      Will find out tomorrow. She is going to attempt to drive it to work, so that is about 50-ish miles each way. More if she has to drive to a job site.


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      05-18-2017 11:22 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Oy. What the?
      Doesn't surprise me in the least. Computers do strange things.

      My father-in-law's Phaeton W12 had an error message for a bad thermostat, he replaced the thermostat and still had the error. We checked the wiring, and it was all good. So the ECU was suspect.

      Since the W12 uses the same software on each engine ecu I decided to swap them, to see what happened. The thermostat code went away, never came back, and no other error codes oddly enough. I was expecting some sort of other error code but nothing.


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      05-19-2017 08:20 AM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Will find out tomorrow. She is going to attempt to drive it to work,


      Or not- car freaked out again at her attempt to start it this morning.
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      05-19-2017 08:53 AM #46
      This is such a Volkswagen type problem, couldn't get any more stereotypical
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    22. 05-19-2017 09:01 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Or not- car freaked out again at her attempt to start it this morning.
      Typical woman. Something so small and trivial causes a complete meltdown, yet is completely and utterly difficult to find by the likes of men.

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      05-19-2017 08:07 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by GoHomePossum View Post
      This is such a Volkswagen type problem, couldn't get any more stereotypical



      Not going to lie. 99.9% true.

      The .1% is because I'm old enough to have started on aircooled- a '73 bug, and have owned Mk1 ('84 Gti) and many MK2 16v. It was a different world back then, and I miss it. Even my Mk3 was simple.
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      05-19-2017 09:32 PM #49
      This sounds similar to the time I forgot to plug in the recognition ring for the key fob on my R32. The thing would just freak out, snarl up and die out with every light coming on. Maybe the key fob lost it's "code". Do you have a spare key to test?

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      05-19-2017 09:50 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by jddaigle View Post
      All the modules are networked and relay messages to modules that are downstream, so a communications fault in one cascades through that branch of the system. It's a characteristic common to all cars that use CAN-BUS.

      As to why the steering angle sensor borked, could be a dozen things hardware or software. Fortunately a hard reset did the trick!
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Doesn't surprise me in the least. Computers do strange things.
      Yeah, I know. I've built computers since the '90s (I'm not a programmer, though) but I get it.

      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Or not- car freaked out again at her attempt to start it this morning.
      Sorry, man, I can't even begin to help. (Which is obvious!) CAN/BUS systems are well past my area of expertise. (Again, obvious!)


      I'm going to go set the point gap on the Bug. Just because.
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